Legohamster
Ian Walker
@Robspur12
This is where the just wait 2 weeks started
the lag is 2 weeks - so before lockdown
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/new-study-shows-covid-infections-were-falling-before-lockdown
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@Robspur12
This is where the just wait 2 weeks started
the lag is 2 weeks - so before lockdown
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/new-study-shows-covid-infections-were-falling-before-lockdown
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Excellent, so you will be than aware of the 150k missed breast cancer screenings alone in Australia and the knock on affects that will have.
all worth it of course instead of shielding.
and more of those maths you seem to have ignored on previous post
the actual modeller of Vallance and Whittys “predictions” has come out and called it rubbish, out of date and misleading.
maybe they need those lessons?
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Unfortunately that's what it is. It always has been.
It's acknowledgement of each others augment that is missing. Both arguments are valid BUT sadly both arguments can't be deployed to full effect without being detrimental to the other.
Whomever has to make those decisions has a thankless task, and yes, I even have sympathy for our own government (as people) to have to make those decisions. (Regardless of tinkle poor implementation).
And in the last few days if GG is a microcosm of the entrenchment on both sides, boy is it noisy and scathing (yep, just like Brexit
) and really adds nothing except ill feeling, which in these times, is the last thing anyone needs.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
You need to start posting your sources for these claims. I’ll happy take these things into consideration but a) I watch a lot of Australian news and have never heard this b) the internet is full of people making stuff up so if you want to convince us that lockdown is wrong then give us some more.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
I bet you the UK will not open up in December..more likely to be under effective house-arrest until March....
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Ok so I’m guessing the average adult female gets tested once a year? There’s around 12m women in Australia. Lets say a third of them should get checked, so thats 3m women. So 150k missed doctors appointments really isn't a huge amount. Especially when as a result of the lockdown, thousands of lives were saved. How about go fudge yourself with your Trumplike stats and come up with some decent arguments as to why thousands of UK citizens should die because you don’t like the idea of lockdowns.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Eh?? @Legohamster and @Grays_1890 have posted lots of sources and stats saying the lockdowns are killing lots of people because of other knock-on effects aside from Covid; sources such as Cancer research groups...that's supposed to be Trump-like??
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Thanks, useful to have these posted. I don’t see where the 150k came from but perhaps you added things up? But the article is about screenings, not cancer patients so I think you’re making a bit much of it.
The key thing is this paragraph:
There was literally nothing stopping someone from seeking treatment during lockdown.
The fact that they could only find one person to interview for the article, and that she was waiting for elective surgery says a lot too. I’m not playing down Kerri Besanko‘s need for surgery, but if it’s her breast reconstruction vs keeping thousands of people a live then there’s not much of a choice.
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awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Sydney was barely locked down. At all. Nothing stopping anyone from going for a medical appointment. Even in Melbourne where a good friend of mines father has had chemo during lockdown, he attended every session he needed to. Maybe the fact Murdoch owns the Sydney Morning Herald means he posts Trumplike denials about covid.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Tbf, in UK there has been a lot of talk from Cancer charities and Hospital Doctors that some who would have been screened for cancer have not been and actually been diagnosed with cancer and at later stages making their chances of survival far less than if caught earlier....
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Liverpool, like the country as a whole, is already locked down. Given that the PCR test for Covid-19 is not exactly great in terms of accuracy, what's the point in testing everyone including asymptomatics?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
They’re posting a load of factually inaccurate stats about situations they know nothing about, Trump-like
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Do they know nothing about the UK situation? Or are you only referring to what they may post or say about Australia?
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Which is obviously bad. But why are they not getting their screenings? In Australia, as far as I know, everything was available during lockdown. I went with my partner to the doctor, she got treatment (for something superficial, not cancer).
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
They certainly know nothing about Australia, which is what we were talking about.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Shutdowns, GP services going up the spout 'because of the pandemic',putting all hospital services towards covid, general messaging to 'stay at home' etc etc
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
No idea how it works in Australia. Over here it's only the over 50s who get automatically screened, and the frequency is every 3 years.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
Messaging in Australia was stay home unless essential. I’m still yet to see any evidence of the lockdown killing more people than letting COVID do it’s thing would.