Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Hundreds of thousands of people are dying because there is a global pandemic that has been mismanaged. People dont have to lose their jobs in their millions to somehow even up the guilt people are feeling because of that
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Coronavirus
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Hundreds of thousands of people are dying because there is a global pandemic that has been mismanaged. People dont have to lose their jobs in their millions to somehow even up the guilt people are feeling because of that
nayenezgani
Jimmy Neighbour
Job losses caused by collective guilt? I've heard it all now...
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Thats not what I am saying, somehow people are accepting of millions of people losing their jobs like it somehow evens up the loss of lives.
Lets all cry our eyes out because people have one hour less in the pub, gets more airtime than people at home in their millions wanting to work not just for the money but for their own mental health, for the purpose of wanting to live, to feel like they are living.
People act that its selfish to believe that the world can carry on whilst we protect the most vulnerable of the virus.
We could all sit there reveling in the downfall of the economy as a reason to say I told you so, good on you
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
The amount of money and resource in our society should allow us to get through the pandemic without economic devastation. It won't happen as distribution of wealth is skewered to the wealthy. But we have got to the point where we blame medical experts for wanting to protect the lives of vulnerable folk. And we blame a government who against its own personal wishes is being pushed to do the same. This whole episode should teach us a lesson about how broken the system is but it won't as we are all pointing fingers at the wrong people. People who don't what their grandma to die. And doctors who don't want people to die before their time.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Why are we not talking about billionaires?
Those millions didn't deserve the status quo before the corona virus hit either.
The choice is a false choice imo. Help the economy at the cost of corona suffering or the consequences for millions will be even greater. Or minimize the impact of the corona crisis, the suffering is just too much, we'll find a way to get back to normal.
Now argue which is the lesser evil, regardless you'll be exploited. Your suffering transformed to wealth for the few. Why talk about billionaires in the middle of a pandemic?
I mean nothing personal to you or the people you described above. The world and humanity has me in a frustrated mood. I have no issue with individuals making their lives better as long as they're not exploiting others. If my words were unreasonably harsh I apologise.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I don't want my dad to die who is high risk and he wont if he continues to shield
But should the world also shield when its proven by fact that a huge demographic have no need to but by doing so pushes those into their own additional separate sub pandemic based on mental heath issues, unemployment, loneliness, sense of helplessnes, punishment, money issues etc
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Not everyone working is doing so to make people richer that's a falsehood
Like I said weeks ago this is to me about phone calls with staff begging to come back to work for their own self worth and sense of belonging and living, not making people rich
I'm talking about a normality for the working person not the man at the top I won't apologise for caring about colleagues whilst being logical about this disease
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Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Offices are allowed to open again though right, if jobs can’t be done remotely, or is it that there isn’t any work they can do?
Agreed.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Damage was done and on the bigger platform the knock on effect to clients means there isn't the work, its heightened by the daily flip flop on restrictions etc
We worked to rule and guidelines from March. Took the government advise on making office safe for August ready for October return and guidelines changed as again
No one realistically can have a meaningful run up to getting work up and running again
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
But the damage is due to the underlying issue of the virus right?
The lockdown has been effectively voluntary since Barnard Castle, it’s confidence of the public that needs to change, and that won’t happen until the infection rates are practically zero.
That’s where we need to get to, as quickly as possible.
Businesses (or those running them) are only responsible to their shareholders.
If the best course for shareholders is shedding jobs, then that's what has to happen.
If the work can't be done remotely is the rule.
In my experience most jobs can't be completed to a satisfactory level remotely.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
When the world did shield then high risk folk stopped dying or ending up in ICU. They are now suffering again so yes it is necessary for there to be good protections. And this would have been world class test, track and trace. We could have then opened up and protected those folk. But our government is so useless that we now have to lockdown again to stop the NHS from crumbling and for our high risk relatives from dying before their time.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
So you are allowed to open then right.
If you can make the place "COVID secure," yes.
Easy for me, nobody here really shares offices. Means I've had to make my own drinks for a while, which has caused great distress but easy to keep people reasonably separate.
I'd imagine places designed to use an open plan office and hot desking might struggle.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Thats how my place was set up, we got COVID secure in a week, reduce usable desk numbers, put up screens, reduce points of contact, change working patterns to minimise contact, let those who can work from home do so, admittedly we have an asynchronous workforce so easier for us than many others.
Not everywhere can do it, but a lot of places can and have. My point was that we are not under lockdown currently, so thats not the biggest factor for struggling bars/cafe's/restaurants/coffee shops/etc. The lockdown is another symptom, its not the disease. Had we never locked down, trains and office would still be empty because people are scared, in many cases, for good reason.
The initial lockdown taught a lot of people and companies that other patterns of work were more viable than they thought. We need to knock the virus on the head, but when we do, we won't be going back to exactly the way things were a year ago.
Would be difficult for us as the office staff are essentially support for the factory during opening hours.
Fortunately were in an old school building from when offices were the norm. We would have struggled to stay open now otherwise.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
It isn't too bad, but we do have a load of space and you book a desk, one way systems, lots of hand wash. But this is because my employer can afford to have us in if we want but doesn't need us in so it is never going to be at capacity.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
As I'm sure you realise we both agree and disagree.
What is the point of the economy? What is the point of a booming economy?
Of the economy is not a tool to make lives better for human beings what's it for?