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Society loses talent at both ends of the spectrum though, its not exclusive to the bottom

I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm yet to see a full proof system offered as an alternative.

If Corona has taught us anything it’s that there has to be a better way, next time this happens we have to have a plan and resources in place to help everyone that needs it, it’s not on to just say “sorry, your industry is fudged so go and die quality”.

I’m both surprised and disappointed that we, as a species, with everything we have achieved, were caught out so badly by this, it didn’t come as a surprise, we’ve all seen Outbreak, we’ve all read The Stand, we were due a global pandemic and we couldn’t have been less prepared.
 
If Corona has taught us anything it’s that there has to be a better way, next time this happens we have to have a plan and resources in place to help everyone that needs it, it’s not on to just say “sorry, your industry is fudged so go and die quality”.

I’m both surprised and disappointed that we, as a species, with everything we have achieved, were caught out so badly by this, it didn’t come as a surprise, we’ve all seen Outbreak, we’ve all read The Stand, we were due a global pandemic and we couldn’t have been less prepared.

Like I said earlier 50% of the UK economy is SMEs so it shouldn't be a shock that they can't close for a year and survive

The government has done pretty well to bail people out but at risk of going over old ground some companies want the help to go back on its own feet and not rely on bailouts and have a chance to survive long term and support their employees who are frankly suffering at the changes to life
 
If Corona has taught us anything it’s that there has to be a better way, next time this happens we have to have a plan and resources in place to help everyone that needs it, it’s not on to just say “sorry, your industry is fudged so go and die quality”.

I’m both surprised and disappointed that we, as a species, with everything we have achieved, were caught out so badly by this, it didn’t come as a surprise, we’ve all seen Outbreak, we’ve all read The Stand, we were due a global pandemic and we couldn’t have been less prepared.


Except covid isn't Outbreak or the stand.
It's a virus that has the potential to kill some of the weakest at one end of the age spectrum.

GHod help us is we ever do have a serious outbreak of something.
 
Except covid isn't Outbreak or the stand.
It's a virus that has the potential to kill some of the weakest at one end of the age spectrum.

GHod help us is we ever do have a serious outbreak of something.
The management would be easier as everyone would be bricking themselves and comply.

When survival rises to the top of the self-interest list. Bingo.
 



There has been much misrepresentation in the right-wing media - and their cheerleaders - of Sweden’s approach throughout this pandemic. As their own politicians have often said, all is not rosy, and they haven’t just let the virus rip.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sweden-pauses-plan-allow-bigger-123142767.html

It’s
a huge country with a relatively small, largely rural, population. The best point of comparison with the U.K. is probably somewhere like Dorset, where I live. All of our pubs and restaurants are open, most with loads of outside space, and are reasonably busy; and our infection rate is currently around 20 per 100,000.
 
It's incorrect to focus on death rates now that treatments have improved so much. ICU beds are being used up at rates we haven't seen for some time and that has to bode ill. And action has to be taken to stop people ending up in ICU. What that action is beyond further restrictions is the key question for those who are anti restrictions.
 
Ah that's ok then love you crack on

An MP who used public transport while knowing she was infected with coronavirus has called it a "blip".

Margaret Ferrier argued that the virus "makes you act out of character" in an interview with the Sun on Sunday.

She faced calls to quit after travelling from Glasgow to London with Covid-19 symptoms last month, then returning home after testing positive.

The SNP suspended Ms Ferrier and the Metropolitan Police is investigating the incident.

Scotland's first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said she "couldn't be clearer" and Ms Ferrier should resign.

The MP, 60, told the paper that she "panicked" and insisted she followed the rules.

"A lot of people say Covid makes you do things out of character. You're not thinking straight," she said.
 
At least it seems like scientists are trying anything and everything


Scientists in the UK have begun testing the BCG vaccine, developed in 1921, to see if it can save lives from Covid.

The vaccine was designed to stop tuberculosis, but there is some evidence it can protect against other infections as well.

Around 1,000 people will take part in the trial at the University of Exeter.

But while millions of people in the UK will have had the BCG jab as a child, it is thought they would need to be vaccinated again to benefit.

Vaccines are designed to train the immune system in a highly targeted way that leaves lasting protection against one particular infection.

But this process also causes wide-spread changes in the immune system. This seems to heighten the response to other infections and scientists hope it may even give our bodies an advantage against coronavirus.

"This could be of major importance globally," Prof John Campbell, of the University of Exeter Medical School, told the BBC.

"Whilst we don't think it [the protection] will be specific to Covid, it has the potential to buy several years of time for the Covid vaccines to come through and perhaps other treatments to be developed."

The UK trial is part of the international Brace-study, which is also taking place in Australia, the Netherlands, Spain and Brazil, recruiting 10,000 people in total.

It will focus on health and care workers, as they are more likely to be exposed to coronavirus, so researchers will know more quickly if the vaccine is effective.

Sam Hilton, a GP from Exeter, is taking part in the trials since, as a doctor, he is at higher risk of catching Covid.

"There's quite a good theory BCG might make you less likely to get unwell when you get Covid," he told the BBC.

"So I see it as a potential for me to get protected a bit, which means I'm more likely to come to work this winter."

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director general of the World Health Organization, is one of the authors of a Lancet article saying the BCG vaccine has the potential to "bridge the gap before a disease-specific vaccine is developed".

"This would be an important tool in the response to Covid-19 and future pandemics," the article states.

However, the BCG vaccine will not be a long-term solution.

Any enhanced resilience to Covid is expected to wane meaning people who were immunised with BCG in childhood would no longer have protection. BCG has not been routinely used in the UK since 2005 because levels of tuberculosis are so low.

Additionally, the vaccine will not train the immune system to produce the antibodies and specialist white blood cells that recognise and fight off the coronavirus.

End game
The big goal remains a vaccine that specifically targets the coronavirus. Ten such vaccines are in the final stages of clinical research, including the one developed at the University of Oxford.

Prof Andrew Pollard, from the Oxford Vaccine Group, told the BBC: "The way that most vaccines work is to make a very specific immune response against the germ you are trying to prevent.

"But in order to make a good immune response, there is also a rather non-specific 'souping-up' of the immune response and that changes the way the immune system is able to respond in the future.

"The problem we have today is I can't tell you what you could do with other vaccines to try to improve your ability to respond to coronavirus because we have no evidence at all."
 
There has been much misrepresentation in the right-wing media - and their cheerleaders - of Sweden’s approach throughout this pandemic. As their own politicians have often said, all is not rosy, and they haven’t just let the virus rip.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sweden-pauses-plan-allow-bigger-123142767.html

It’s
a huge country with a relatively small, largely rural, population. The best point of comparison with the U.K. is probably somewhere like Dorset, where I live. All of our pubs and restaurants are open, most with loads of outside space, and are reasonably busy; and our infection rate is currently around 20 per 100,000.

More interesting info in the Swedish experiment here,

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6513/159.full
 
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It's incorrect to focus on death rates now that treatments have improved so much. ICU beds are being used up at rates we haven't seen for some time and that has to bode ill. And action has to be taken to stop people ending up in ICU. What that action is beyond further restrictions is the key question for those who are anti restrictions.


The problem with Gov scaremongering is the data to counter is freely in the open


also there is a report today that one in five hospital beds are people who are in with a Something like a broken leg And tested for positive and are put down as a covid admission.

That’s even before you add on the 18 percent of outbreaks happening in hospitals and 10 in care homes.

as normal the gov is covering up more basic errors
 
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The problem with Gov scaremongering is the data to counter is freely in the open


also there is a report today that one in five hospital beds are people who are in with a Something like a broken leg And tested for positive and are put down as a covid admission.

That’s even before you add on the 18 percent of outbreaks happening in hospitals and 10 in care homes.

as normal the gov is covering up more basic errors

I am talking about the rise in ICU beds being used by people with Covid. This is a reality now.
 
I am talking about the rise in ICU beds being used by people with Covid. This is a reality now.

number is still under 10 percent on ventilators.

not panic stations is it?

But as the Gov have decided to now group covid and flu illnesses together we will no longer have any clear picture.
 
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number is still under 10 percent on ventilators.

not panic stations is it?

But as the Gov have decided to now group covid and flu illnesses together we will no longer have any clear picture.

Ventilators are now used as a last resort because of the improvement in therapeutics (allowed by the time afforded by the last lock down)
 
New Zealand today. But lockdowns don’t work I guess.

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number is still under 10 percent on ventilators.

not panic stations is it?

But as the Gov have decided to now group covid and flu illnesses together we will no longer have any clear picture.

Right now it is. With infections rising daily it will hit capacity unless something is done. And how they group things is irrelevant to the fact that we may see the NHS over capacity again. This should concern all of us and it is hard to deny the need for action.

The cause of this, as I've said before, is the missing world class test track and trace system we were promised by these mfers in charge. We would be able to get back to normal if the Tories weren't just dishing out lucrative contracts to their mates.
 
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The problem with Gov scaremongering is the data to counter is freely in the open


also there is a report today that one in five hospital beds are people who are in with a Something like a broken leg And tested for positive and are put down as a covid admission.

That’s even before you add on the 18 percent of outbreaks happening in hospitals and 10 in care homes.

as normal the gov is covering up more basic errors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...senior-health-official?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 
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