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ricky2tricky4city said:
Been thinking about this and you'd hazard a guess that the low oxygen levels, (even before it turns more desperate and difficulties with breathing) does show when you go to do something and quickly realise your just not capable. Even when you think you feel a bit better, you can eg sweep the floor or hang the washing out then feel like lying in bed for the rest of the day.
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I don't know if I had it but two weeks after the symptoms had gone, I was still getting out of breath walking up a slight hill.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The guardian loves to dig into anything political
Their a massive part of the reason we couldn’t get PPE or ventilators as the whole process had to be complaint... even in a state of emergency just in case these papers could dig out more things to hit the government with
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My already large distain for the press has gone through the roof with how these roosterwombles have reported stories the past 6 weeks, they should be ashamed of themselves
 
markysimmo said:
My already large distain for the press has gone through the roof with how these roosterwombles have reported stories the past 6 weeks, they should be ashamed of themselves
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Their all doing it
I appreciate the news for news but we seem to have a major issue here with the news needing to dig out stuff and hold no accountability for it (it may be right it may be wrong)
I’m really not anti any news paper but the guardian seems to be one that targets government and big companies continually
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The guardian loves to dig into anything political
Their a massive part of the reason we couldn’t get PPE or ventilators as the whole process had to be complaint... even in a state of emergency just in case these papers could dig out more things to hit the government with
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Yep. That paper's also got a bee in it's bonnet and just throws Cummings's name around as if his very existence is proof of evil.

Problem is all its millennial readers see his name and automatically assume there's wrongdoing to.
 
With 40,000+ dead and rising you’d wonder what the job of the press was if they weren’t asking questions. Many would say they are actually giving the government a pretty easy ride.

It’s been interesting to see The Times, The Telegraph and even The Mail all pointing out the daily shortcomings in the UK response. Unheard of. A 5 minute surf around Twitter this morning will tell you that people from every shade of political life think it’s wrong that Cummings was a member of this group, and that it’s even more wrong that the government tried to hide it.

Many have bought the wartime narrative being pushed by the government. It’s not a war though; they had plenty of warning it was coming; and the response (as indicated by the mortality figures - and ask yourself why we are the only country in Europe not counting care home deaths in the daily rates: to bluff the public?) was way way too slow.

Let’s keep clapping the nurses and carers though; cheaper than paying them a decent wage and distracts the electorate.
 
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scaramanga said:
Yep. That paper's also got a bee in it's bonnet and just throws Cummings's name around as if his very existence is proof of evil.

Problem is all its millennial readers see his name and automatically assume there's wrongdoing to.
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Cummings is really rocking the trees with the civil service
He has caused panic with his new approval process for constancy's - anything over £200k needs his approval basically
 
Mikey10 said:
With 40,000+ dead and rising you’d wonder what the job of the press was if they weren’t asking questions. Many would say they are actually giving the government a pretty easy ride.

It’s been interesting to see The Times, The Telegraph and even The Mail all pointing out the daily shortcomings in the UK response. Unheard of. A 5 minute surf around Twitter this morning will tell you that people from every shade of political life think it’s wrong that Cummings was a member of this group, and that it’s even more wrong that the government tried to hide it.

Many have bought the wartime narrative being pushed by the government. It’s not a war though; they had plenty of warning it was coming; and the response (as indicated by the mortality figures - and ask yourself why we are the only country in Europe not counting care home deaths in the daily rates: to bluff the public?) was way way too slow.

Let’s keep clapping the nurses and carers though; cheaper than paying them a decent wage and distracts the electorate.
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I think the issues are for me that when the press are wrong they don’t come back to their errors
And there’s a time and place for the negativity
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think the issues are for me that when the press are wrong they don’t come back to their errors
And there’s a time and place for the negativity
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A major job of the press is to help hold the government to account. I’m sure Scara wouldn’t want to feel he’s living in South Korea. :D

Bedfordspurs said:
Cummings is really rocking the trees with the civil service
He has caused panic with his new approval process for constancy's - anything over £200k needs his approval basically
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All those Brexiteers must be delighted they took back control from people they didn’t elect running their country...
 
Mikey10 said:
A major job of the press is to help hold the government to account. I’m sure Scara wouldn’t want to feel he’s living in South Korea. :D



All those Brexiteers must be delighted they took back control from people they didn’t elect running their country...
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It is a major job I agree
But the also hinder things so much in a negative way

Every year for the last 5 years that I’ve worked on government related works I’ve have heard “what would the guardian say” when it comes to making important decisions

I’d say genuinely it’s happened about 15 times

these papers and the nature of their negative push is why the government have got so many triage processes to stop things things happening quickly

I’m on a defence project as as it’s public money it’s gonna take 2 1/2 years for something I’d do in 1 1/2 in the private sector
But everything... everything is scrutinised ... I mean we even have people cross checking excel spreadsheets

That’s all about being defendable when the press attack (and of course complying with OJEU rules which we as country do when many many others don’t).

im a liberal by nature and a positive person (done a million personality leadership tests) and working on government works has been an eye opener by a looooong way

it’s even made me consider going into politics to try to change it but I’ve been a knob in the past and know the press would use that against me for example (stag doos, strip clubs and European away days)... so it local MP who is a nice guy is our MP with all his worldly experience as a cab driver
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Cummings is really rocking the trees with the civil service
He has caused panic with his new approval process for constancy's - anything over £200k needs his approval basically
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Think the issue is that the civil service think they should run the country how they want and most are anti the tories. I know this for a fact from my sister who works in government.

If like in America we could allow our elected representatives bring in their own people we might get the sort of country people voted for.

I say this as someone who liked Corbyn and wanted the railways nationalised. Which sure as brick the civil service would have put a stop to.

It is the civil service that is the problem.
 
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