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Grays_1890 said:
Yep and there lies the issue and scientists and experts have confirmed exactly what we have experienced in this forum, they all have difference of opinion and theory.

The link earlier that someone posted earlier had a scientist saying the exact thing.

And the BBC has reported that Sweden are seeing a curve reduction just like everyone else in the same timeline as everyone else without the lock down.

Why? Well because as Scara said, the disease kills the weak and the old and that’s seen with and without lockdown.

I said at the start I would prefer a Sweden style situation shame really
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ays-coronavirus-lockdown-not-saved-lives.html
 
Mikey10 said:
It’s supposed to be an independent scientific forum for discussion - as in independent from the government. The reports coming out say that Cummings didn’t just attend but that he actively contributed to discussions. Worrying in any circumstances in a democracy, but particularly worrying given what is known about his way of working.
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Well I don't see the issue, you just don't like Cummings so naturally disagree with anything he does. If it's independent from government then Whitty, Van Tam and Vallance also shouldnt be on it either.
 
P.D. said:
Well I don't see the issue, you just don't like Cummings so naturally disagree with anything he does. If it's independent from government then Whitty, Van Tam and Vallance also shouldnt be on it either.
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With all due respect, what should or shouldn’t happen at forums which are supposed to be free from government interference doesn’t come down to whether you see an issue with it or not. It’s about what has been established as correct through carefully arrived at protocols.

SteveAWOL said:
Perhaps Cummings was onto something...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252914277096308737

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Given that we are sitting on what the Financial Times now reckons is deaths in the mid-40,000s in the UK, he was probably ‘on to’ upwards of 500,000 deaths in the first wave alone. I’ll leave you to imagine what the Health Service would have looked like if that had been allowed to happen.
 
Mikey10 said:
With all due respect, what should or shouldn’t happen at forums which are supposed to be free from government interference doesn’t come down to whether you see an issue with it or not. It’s about what has been established as correct through carefully arrived at protocols.



Given that we are sitting on what the Financial Times now reckons is deaths in the mid-40,000s in the UK, he was probably ‘on to’ upwards of 500,000 deaths in the first wave alone. I’ll leave you to imagine what the Health Service would have looked like if that had been allowed to happen.
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Pretty much the same is the Swedish theory.

They're working on the basis that the curve happens with or without preventative measures and so far they seem to be proving it correct.
 
P.D. said:
I'm surprised more advisors werent at SAGE and even more surprised people saying advisors weren't present when they were on the committee, surely the scientific advice then needs to be formulated into policy/guidance as well as deciding the priority or opinions to take (when there's conflict) so how can that be done if senior people who help to formulate policy and make decisions aren't there.
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You can see why it needs to be that way.

The simplest answer to the problem as a theorist is to simply kill all the old and inform and have next to zero Covid deaths. A govt representative would be there to make it clear that is not acceptable to the electorate.
 
scaramanga said:
Pretty much the same is the Swedish theory.

They're working on the basis that the curve happens with or without preventative measures and so far they seem to be proving it correct.
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Or you could look at what is happening in countries that actively pursued preventative measures such as Germany, Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand. All of which demonstrate that that theory is complete and utter bs!
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Or you could look at what is happening in countries that actively pursued preventative measures such as Germany, Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand. All of which demonstrate that that theory is complete and utter bs!
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Singapore who are seeing the spread start to derail their efforts due to the migrant worker spread?
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Or you could look at what is happening in countries that actively pursued preventative measures such as Germany, Taiwan, Singapore and New Zealand. All of which demonstrate that that theory is complete and utter bs!
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Have all of those countries had all the deaths they will ever have from this? At what point will a significant part of those countries have immunity?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
The 'herd meteorology' again.

Quite alot of B&Q's have been open since Wednesday BUT now it's 'the weekend' 'lets have a run out to the DIY store' ..theyve .been sitting doing eff all most of the week

Creatures of f.cking habit:rolleyes:
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This infuriates me. As someone who only has the weekend to do all the DIY and shopping I need to do, it's particularly frustrating that they don't use all the other free time they have.
 
scaramanga said:
Have all of those countries had all the deaths they will ever have from this? At what point will a significant part of those countries have immunity?
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That’s a huge point I think many are overlooking.

I’ve alluded to it a few times, in a years time will will on a like for like % see the same death tolls regardless of lockdown or not?

Eventually those in lockdown being applauded will have to come out and the deaths will continue and with the weak and elderly being high risk the same demographic will suffer as they are in Sweden and here, not saying it’s a good thing but the end result could be the same throughout and it might not be death rates we count as the cost but the financial destruction this causes being in lockdown.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
The 'herd meteorology' again.

Quite alot of B&Q's have been open since Wednesday BUT now it's 'the weekend' 'lets have a run out to the DIY store' ..theyve .been sitting doing eff all most of the week

Creatures of f.cking habit:rolleyes:
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Plenty of people are still working on weekdays you know.
 
scaramanga said:
Have all of those countries had all the deaths they will ever have from this? At what point will a significant part of those countries have immunity?
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That's a spurious argument we're talking about the current curve, not future projections. We can only benchmark known reliable historical statistics not future predictions, and on that basis some approaches are demonstrably more effective than others. I thought you liked dat and facts?:)
 
US are now saying it was even earlier - potentially as early as Jan 10th in Vegas.

We need to up testing ASAP as there was a lot of sickness around at that time
 
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