Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Gutter Boy]

How do you think of the most obscene thing for every situation?

Have you not been following Spurs for the past 20 years? There's always a comically ridiculous trip, just when an opportunity comes into sight

 

[Lemonade Money]

Have you not been following Spurs for the past 20 years?

The irony.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Gone a bit cold on Iraola after an Athletic podcast where they talked about him and Ange having the highest running stats. It's unsustainable in modern day football, the players have too many games. Liverpool were very wise choosing Slot in part because he knows how to keep players fit. More and more that is going to be important in managers with the volume of games these days.

This is a critical part of a broader point. Whomever the next coach is, it needs to be someone who trusts his staff to deliver.

Modern football is too specialized and complex for one messiah figure to manage everything like the days of SAF. You need top-level performance analysts, fitness coaches, physios, specialised set piece, attack and defensive coaches, and you need to trust them to let them do their jobs.

Postecoglou arriving with no staff was a red flag - his abysmal management of squad fitness and the churn in the physio room points to an inability to trust them, and his own staff choices have been thoroughly useless (Mile Jedinak getting a job because he was Australian is a particular grim highlight). And whatever he does in training with his jobsworth no-name hires from Scotland, it clearly isn't working.

The best current coaches come with staff they trust. The next man needs to be someone modern in that respect. And then, add to that the need for game management and adjustments to energy expended throughout the season, as you say.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

This is a critical part of a broader point. Whomever the next coach is, it needs to be someone who trusts his staff to deliver.

Modern football is too specialized and complex for one messiah figure to manage everything like the days of SAF. You need top-level performance analysts, fitness coaches, physios, specialised set piece, attack and defensive coaches, and you need to trust them to let them do their jobs.

Postecoglou arriving with no staff was a red flag - his abysmal management of squad fitness and the churn in the physio room points to an inability to trust them, and his own staff choices have been thoroughly useless (Mile Jedinak getting a job because he was Australian is a particular grim highlight). And whatever he does in training with his jobsworth no-name hires from Scotland, it clearly isn't working.

The best current coaches come with staff they trust. The next man needs to be someone modern in that respect. And then, add to that the need for game management and adjustments to energy expended throughout the season, as you say.

Ferguson didn’t manage everything
Quite the opposite
He also changed his coaches to get new voices and ideas
It’s where poch went wrong

 

[fernadez]

I think you need some trusted generals when starting, those who know what you want and can implement it instead of learning at the same time as the players, which is one of th areas where Ange went wrong.

At the end of a cycle there should be new voices coming in to keep things fresh, which yes is one of the areas Poch went wrong.

 

[Trixster]

One thing for sure, sitting where we are and with the tinkle poor performances that have been put in. If the next manager doesn't get the same chance and time in the role then it's a bloody joke.

 

[Raziel]

One thing for sure, sitting where we are and with the tinkle poor performances that have been put in. If the next manager doesn't get the same chance and time in the role then it's a bloody joke.

The next manager won't, because backing Ange showed everyone that giving a manager who is poor, or in an extended death spiral changes nothing. Hindsight says, Nov/Dec would have been par for course and the right decision.

My expectation is Ange goes, highly likely Munn goes with him, new manager has 18 months to get it right.

 

[Lemonade Money]

The next manager won't, because backing Ange showed everyone that giving a manager who is poor, or in an extended death spiral changes nothing. Hindsight says, Nov/Dec would have been par for course and the right decision.

My expectation is Ange goes, highly likely Munn goes with him, new manager has 18 months to get it right.

Why has everyone got it in for Munn, am I missing something?

 

[Mikey10]

Why has everyone got it in for Munn, am I missing something?

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[Raziel]

Why has everyone got it in for Munn, am I missing something?

Purely speculation on my part, but my experience in bigger companies than Spurs says

- Munn is part of team that had input on Ange
- Munn is ultimately responsible for football operations
- Levy hasn't suddenly decided not to give a fudge about results
- There was likely one if not more "review" meetings between Oct-Jan on Ange/team performance
- The fact that Ange is still here says the Leadership group decided to back him
- Back to point 3, most likely Munn had to stick out his neck a little

Hindsight is a bitch, but Levy doing his normal fire by Oct would have been the right call.

 

[Lilbaz]

Why has everyone got it in for Munn, am I missing something?

He's in charge of the football side. Which doesn't seem to be going well

 

[Lemonade Money]

Purely speculation on my part, but my experience in bigger companies than Spurs says

- Munn is part of team that had input on Ange
- Munn is ultimately responsible for football operations
- Levy hasn't suddenly decided not to give a fudge about results
- There was likely one if not more "review" meetings between Oct-Jan on Ange/team performance
- The fact that Ange is still here says the Leadership group decided to back him
- Back to point 3, most likely Munn had to stick out his neck a little

Hindsight is a bitch, but Levy doing his normal fire by Oct would have been the right call.

Blimey, we wouldn't last long in our jobs if we got sacked after one bad (with hindsight) decision. Out of interest, what do you think is an acceptable success rate of choosing a manager and them coming good within 1.5 seasons?

 

[Yiddo]

Purely speculation on my part, but my experience in bigger companies than Spurs says

- Munn is part of team that had input on Ange
- Munn is ultimately responsible for football operations
- Levy hasn't suddenly decided not to give a fudge about results
- There was likely one if not more "review" meetings between Oct-Jan on Ange/team performance
- The fact that Ange is still here says the Leadership group decided to back him
- Back to point 3, most likely Munn had to stick out his neck a little

Hindsight is a bitch, but Levy doing his normal fire by Oct would have been the right call.

If he had sacked him in October a lot of the fans would have been on Levy's case for doing so. What ever he does seems to be the wrong thing so he has clearly taken another route and people are not happy with this either, he is just going from the motion of every option he has and when he has done it all he can sit there and say, i done what you asked multiple times and i am still getting moaned at regardless of what i do.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Why has everyone got it in for Munn, am I missing something?

Unknown person
Easy target
Football directors rarely show their worth quickly because of the nature of what they do

 

[Gutter Boy]

Blimey, we wouldn't last long in our jobs if we got sacked after one bad (with hindsight) decision. Out of interest, what do you think is an acceptable success rate of choosing a manager and them coming good within 1.5 seasons?

It depends on the level of badness. Would you put employing Ange at the same level as letting your toddler have a steer of your taxi, or operating your crane before last night's LSD has worn off? There's messing up a presentation, and then there are catastrophic failures.

 

[Bishop]

Why has everyone got it in for Munn, am I missing something?

Fall guy so you didn't have to think about Levy.

 

[Lilbaz]

If he had sacked him in October a lot of the fans would have been on Levy's case for doing so. What ever he does seems to be the wrong thing so he has clearly taken another route and people are not happy with this either, he is just going from the motion of every option he has and when he has done it all he can sit there and say, i done what you asked multiple times and i am still getting moaned at regardless of what i do.

Fans demanded levy step back from football decisions.
Seems he did.

Still want new owners. The whole mentality and perception of the club need to change.

Some fans need to change their mentality aswell though. If it's raining it's not levy tinkling on you.

 

[Lilbaz]

It depends on the level of badness. Would you put employing Ange at the same level as letting your toddler have a steer of your taxi, or operating your crane before last night's LSD has worn off? There's messing up a presentation, and then there are catastrophic failures.

Still feeling guilty about that?

 

[Bishop]

Blimey, we wouldn't last long in our jobs if we got sacked after one bad (with hindsight) decision. Out of interest, what do you think is an acceptable success rate of choosing a manager and them coming good within 1.5 seasons?

Imagine if Levy got held to the standards they now wand Munn held to, he'd have sacked himself 20ish years ago.

 

[glorygloryeze]

If he had sacked him in October a lot of the fans would have been on Levy's case for doing so. What ever he does seems to be the wrong thing so he has clearly taken another route and people are not happy with this either, he is just going from the motion of every option he has and when he has done it all he can sit there and say, i done what you asked multiple times and i am still getting moaned at regardless of what i do.

No, he just doesn't have a choice because there isn't currently anyone available to improve the situation.
If Levy cared about what fans thought do you think he would have made the same football-related mistakes he's done over the years, even since we moved into the new stadium?