Contingency planning : When Ange is sacked, who should replace him?

[Bishop]

Why would that be the comparison? No one goes to the game supporting a referee.

The issue in this case isn’t the level of abuse — it’s probably not even real abuse. The issue is that your own supporters are singing that! It’s truly fudging pathetic.

I don't really understand why it bothers you so much. If the fans who sang it really think that's the case then that's what they think and what they are saying. Should they not say it because he's on our side? I don't really get the issue tbh.

Also to be clear that I'm quite impartial on this matter I didn't care that he cupped his ears to the fans either. Its all kind of whatever to me, but I do believe if you give it you should be able to take it so Ange has just as much right to hit back at them as they do to strike in the first place. Its all just part and parcel of football to me.

 

[Jordinho]

Right now I want Silva, but that could change in the second half.

 

[Raziel]

Right now I want Silva, but that could change in the second half.

Silva is a safer choice, Iriola might have more risk but more upside.

Personally, think we are back to the Nuno moment, getting a decent human in who will keep us in top 6 for a couple of years is logically not a bad call, unlikely our over entitled fans will see it that way.

 

[Legohamster]

Ange wanted to bring success to Spurs his way because it means more even if it isn't the easiest way. And it's taken a lot of money plunged in to his way of doing things and we're a lot worse off for it.

I'm not sure there's any manager out there that doesn't want to bring success to the club they're managing. And you could hire any poster from here or any fan of the club, we'd want success with every fibre of our being, that doesn't mean we're actually suitable for the position. It's not a USP, it's a basic prerequisite.

And he knew if it went tits up, he's got the contract and things are going to play out painfully because the guy won't resign. I'm sure it's "not his way", but bickering with any fan or journo having the audacity to not be blown away by how brick we are, seemingly is his way.

It'll be very interesting to see how his career post Spurs goes, I think it'll be more of a Poch situation than a Nuno / Conte one.

Talks about BR leaving Celtic in the summer. My money is on him going back there.

 

[thfcsteff]

Silva is a safer choice, Iriola might have more risk but more upside.

Personally, think we are back to the Nuno moment, getting a decent human in who will keep us in top 6 for a couple of years is logically not a bad call, unlikely our over entitled fans will see it that way.

Absolutely!

 

[Muttley]

Silva is a safer choice, Iriola might have more risk but more upside.

Personally, think we are back to the Nuno moment, getting a decent human in who will keep us in top 6 for a couple of years is logically not a bad call, unlikely our over entitled fans will see it that way.

We should be reminded that our over entitled fans were massively influenced by our over entitled senior players who made their minds up that they weren't going to play for Nuno. That toxic dressing room let us down badly.

It's why I'm sort of enthused by this current squad. They haven't gone there yet under Ange. However, you could see the old behaviour today in Son. He was going through the motions and paying lip service to his manager's instructions. There was no press and there was no commitment to barely anything he did. He's way better than what we saw today. The good news is that the other 10 dragged him through it and even disguised it for him. It was there though, just like it was under Jose, Nuno and Conte in the darkest times.

It's why I'm not writing off Tel like some fans. I think his attitude with us has been spot on. Just like Thursday, it was giving his absolute all today.

 

[Muttley]

So if Marco Silva gets Fulham into a UEFA comp (EL/ECL), does he turn down Spurs if we go knocking?

When you look at his Wiki page, he allegedly turned down the £20m a year Saudi jobs. He's toiled hard for 4 seasons at Fulham and done a superb job in my opinion.

I actually think we'd have to work really hard to convince him to make the jump across London.

 

[Legohamster]

So if Marco Silva gets Fulham into a UEFA comp (EL/ECL), does he turn down Spurs if we go knocking?

When you look at his Wiki page, he allegedly turned down the £20m a year Saudi jobs. He's toiled hard for 4 seasons at Fulham and done a superb job in my opinion.

I actually think we'd have to work really hard to convince him to make the jump across London.

He hasn't really been overly loyal in the past

I think a few managers have turned down Saudi, he's in his prime, I doubt it interests him.

 

[glasgowspur]

Talks about BR leaving Celtic in the summer. My money is on him going back there.

I've heard about BR as well, most Celtic supporters would be happy to have ange back, it feels like a good move for everyone, as long as we don't get BR.

 

[Muttley]

as long as we don't get BR.

Now you've gone and done it

 

[Lemonade Money]

Silva is a safer choice, Iriola might have more risk but more upside.

Personally, think we are back to the Nuno moment, getting a decent human in who will keep us in top 6 for a couple of years is logically not a bad call, unlikely our over entitled fans will see it that way.

Basically, you haven't got a Scooby Doo about who will make a good manager, bit like Levy.

 

[tommysvr]

I don't really understand why it bothers you so much. If the fans who sang it really think that's the case then that's what they think and what they are saying. Should they not say it because he's on our side? I don't really get the issue tbh.

Also to be clear that I'm quite impartial on this matter I didn't care that he cupped his ears to the fans either. Its all kind of whatever to me, but I do believe if you give it you should be able to take it so Ange has just as much right to hit back at them as they do to strike in the first place. Its all just part and parcel of football to me.

Because I believe the role of supporters is to support the team. Create an atmosphere that will help the players; either a positive one to encourage the team or an intimidating one to affect the opposition. The only time I can remember Tottenham Hotspur Stadium being intimidating was the Arsenal game in 2022, when we beat them 3-0 to help finish 4th.

There is a time and place to protest, but that's not during the 90 minutes for me. Even more than that, don't single out a particular person for ridicule during the match.

If you really want to make your feelings known during that match, don't sing. Just like Southampton last night. A quiet stadium sends an even stronger message.

Counter questions: do you think singing "you don't know what you're doing" is in any way helpful to the team? Do you think the players hear that, either during the game or via the nonsense afterwards, and feel any sort of affinity to the fans they're playing for?

 

[Gazza]

Because I believe the role of supporters is to support the team. Create an atmosphere that will help the players; either a positive one to encourage the team or an intimidating one to affect the opposition. The only time I can remember Tottenham Hotspur Stadium being intimidating was the Arsenal game in 2022, when we beat them 3-0 to help finish 4th.

There is a time and place to protest, but that's not during the 90 minutes for me. Even more than that, don't single out a particular person for ridicule during the match.

If you really want to make your feelings known during that match, don't sing. Just like Southampton last night. A quiet stadium sends an even stronger message.

Counter questions: do you think singing "you don't know what you're doing" is in any way helpful to the team? Do you think the players hear that, either during the game or via the nonsense afterwards, and feel any sort of affinity to the fans they're playing for?

No but any manager or team worth their minerals would stand up and fight not go into a shell and feel sorry for themselves. They should all be having a good look at each other at this moment in time. They walk off with their pay cheques paid for by the fans who turn up week in week out.

And it’s not like they have been at them from the start to the end of the season.

 

[Daisuk]

I still have it in for COYS as a forum. I got banned in 2012 ish for opposing the Stratford move.

Last post I made I said I would have personally stop supporting Spurs if we went there because for me my family connection to the area is the reason I support the club.

Next thing you know I’m completely banned!

It was completely bizarre because I didn’t attack anyone at all. If I had I would have been able to accept it more.

They are (or at least were) very weird on there

I got banned on there too, can’t remember for what, but probably for making a joke about how easily other people got banned, haha.

 

[thfcsteff]

Can no t disagree that could well be the case, however there is no need for some of the abuse he gets from so called adults. imo

I find it telling that your response got no recognition beyond me.

Personally, I think it says a lot about where we are in 2025. There is a worringly decreasing amount of decent old-fashioned humanity circulating. I maintain that more than ever, people in the field of sports and entertainment who, err, entertain us, are taking larger and greater amounts of sustained abuse almost as punching bags for the lives of others. I wholly agree that professionals such as the police, doctors, and nurses are subject to terrible abuse and expected to maintain their decorum (something which, frankly, I think is largely a big ask) and I appreciate that especially the police are held to hugely high (and humanly unfair) standards in that regard. I think what always gets me about player and manager abuse, is that it is sustained, universal across several platforms, targeted to that specific person and often happens for weeks or months on end. Which would even have stretched Ghandi's patience.

 

[thfcsteff]

No but any manager or team worth their minerals would stand up and fight not go into a shell and feel sorry for themselves. They should all be having a good look at each other at this moment in time. They walk off with their pay cheques paid for by the fans who turn up week in week out.
And it’s not like they have been at them from the start to the end of the season.

Yeah, and the moment Ange is grumpy and tetchy, then he's a clam. If the players complain about lack of atmosphere or abuse or whatever, they're clams. You cannot have it both ways!!!! BTW, you're assuming that they are not themselves trying to work out WTF is not happening out there. I have seen no sign that they've downed tools or are phoning it in. They're simply lost which is in some senses scarier!

 

[tommysvr]

No but any manager or team worth their minerals would stand up and fight not go into a shell and feel sorry for themselves. They should all be having a good look at each other at this moment in time. They walk off with their pay cheques paid for by the fans who turn up week in week out.

And it’s not like they have been at them from the start to the end of the season.

I don't think the money has any relevance here. I haven't seen a lack of effort from the players this season -- the opposite of it during the injury crisis. Our issues have been down to a lack of quality; be it individuals and errors they make or because of the system.

Re: the last line: Brennan Johnson deactivated his social media account(s)...in September!! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4grx7m8xy1o

 

[Bishop]

Because I believe the role of supporters is to support the team. Create an atmosphere that will help the players; either a positive one to encourage the team or an intimidating one to affect the opposition. The only time I can remember Tottenham Hotspur Stadium being intimidating was the Arsenal game in 2022, when we beat them 3-0 to help finish 4th.

There is a time and place to protest, but that's not during the 90 minutes for me. Even more than that, don't single out a particular person for ridicule during the match.

If you really want to make your feelings known during that match, don't sing. Just like Southampton last night. A quiet stadium sends an even stronger message.

Counter questions: do you think singing "you don't know what you're doing" is in any way helpful to the team? Do you think the players hear that, either during the game or via the nonsense afterwards, and feel any sort of affinity to the fans they're playing for?

I do get that is just in my time of going to football the atmosphere has been a reflection of what is seen or done on the pitch. I can't speak for pre 90s but relative to the general expectations the atmosphere is a real live referendum of the feeling amongst the fans about the current state of the side. If they are excelling the fans are all happy and jovial, if we are doing poorly it's the opposite.

I guess we just come at from a different starting point but I liken it to the roman amphitheatres where the crowd would decide the fate of the defeated fighters.

The players will definitely be aware but it's a real life genuine response to how they are performing. Yes it would be great for everyone to not care or be affected by it and still sing happily but that's not how life really works. People's moods are affected by their surroundings and what they are experiencing. Football has always been a experience with a emotional taxation, that's why there is such exhilaration with a goal or success but you will get the opposite reaction when it's not working. So yes the players will hear but at least they will know the truth about how their performances are being perceived by their most important constituents. If they are affected I do kind of think tough brick because that's the arena you've chosen to take part in. You can't get all the praise and adulation without the flip side when it's not going so well.

I'm no fan of Johnson but I agree sending him personal messages on SM is dumb and not part of what I'm talking about, but criticising his performances vocally and live and direct at the match is perfectly acceptable to me. As long as again we are just talking about how they are performing, not calling him a clam, or doubting his parantage etc.

 

[Gazza]

I don't think the money has any relevance here. I haven't seen a lack of effort from the players this season -- the opposite of it during the injury crisis. Our issues have been down to a lack of quality; be it individuals and errors they make or because of the system.

Re: the last line: Brennan Johnson deactivated his social media account(s)...in September!! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c4grx7m8xy1o

I don’t think you can discount the money aspect of it. I’m not bashing the armchair fan or the foreign fan but when fans are spending an absolute fortune to go watch your team and see the constant dross put out this season the emotions can eventually boil over.

Injuries happen to most teams and even though it’s been a little freakish this season even when we have had lots of players in we have been abject at best.

However going back to the main point of discussion, name me one sport worldwide that has not had fans of their own team show discontent in the stands? You may live in an idealistic world where things should happen the stark reality is, fans go to cheer their teams in the majority of settings , but when it becomes toxic on the field for a reasonable amount of time the fans, being emotive and human, will vent and rightly so.

We have been seen as soft and naive and the fans are not stupid to be putting up with it for this long.

 

[tommysvr]

I do get that is just in my time of going to football the atmosphere has been a reflection of what is seen or done on the pitch. I can't speak for pre 90s but relative to the general expectations the atmosphere is a real live referendum of the feeling amongst the fans about the current state of the side. If they are excelling the fans are all happy and jovial, if we are doing poorly it's the opposite.

I guess we just come at from a different starting point but I liken it to the roman amphitheatres where the crowd would decide the fate of the defeated fighters.

The players will definitely be aware but it's a real life genuine response to how they are performing. Yes it would be great for everyone to not care or be affected by it and still sing happily but that's not how life really works. People's moods are affected by their surroundings and what they are experiencing. Football has always been a experience with a emotional taxation, that's why there is such exhilaration with a goal or success but you will get the opposite reaction when it's not working. So yes the players will hear but at least they will know the truth about how their performances are being perceived by their most important constituents. If they are affected I do kind of think tough brick because that's the arena you've chosen to take part in. You can't get all the praise and adulation without the flip side when it's not going so well.

I'm no fan of Johnson but I agree sending him personal messages on SM is dumb and not part of what I'm talking about, but criticising his performances vocally and live and direct at the match is perfectly acceptable to me. As long as again we are just talking about how they are performing, not calling him a clam, or doubting his parantage etc.

I agree with large parts of this. Groans, clear displays of emotion, heat of the moment sort of things are to be expected. But en masse singing to the extent that it was against Chelsea is just over the top for me. The fact it happened only a few years ago with Nuno adds to it. The toxicity is growing season by season, match by match. A lot of it is justified, but I still think there is a line for what's acceptable, and as supporters we need to self-police and set that standard.

I understand it might sound idealist but what I'm describing is exactly what happens every week here in Japan.

To put it another way...I'm not especially excited to see how our players handle the atmosphere in Germany. But if I heard a Hoffenheim fan say that I'd probably laugh.