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Christian Eriksen

Why you bringing Hazard into this? Your comment was 'not enough of a big game player to play for Barca' - Both him and Hazard could play for Barca no problems, its as simple as that....

My bad, the conversation got off topic.

Im still of the opinion that Eriksen, at present, still has not shown enough over a prelonged period to play for Barca. Where will he play? In place of Messi?

Eriksen has had his best period with us playing/floating behind the lone striker. We have set up to accommodate him and Dele in our team. I just cant see or justify Barca spending 60/70/80 million on a player who has historically been flakey who plays in the position of arguibly the best player on the planet.

If Barca can accommodate him elsewhere in the team, fine.

Eriksen may have been on world class form over recent months but that does not make him world class. His form has co-insided with our rediculous form over recent months - when the tough gets going Eriksen generally goes hiding.

If he continues this form into next season and beyond then that is another matter but i fear people on here and in the media are getting distracted by the recent good form, rather than looking at the whole picture. Just because someone is in good form it doesnt make them a great player who can mix it in the Barca team, look at Vardy.

In response to the Modric comment, he was different class from the moment he walked in the door at Spurs. He was destined from the outset to play for one of the elite clubs in the world.

It takes a special kind of player to play week in, week out at Barca, players on another level football wise. You have to be an 8/10 or more player every week and whether Eriksen is that player, im not so sure and ill come back to you at Christmas.
 
Replacement for Iniesta - they don't like Rakitic and Gomes has not been a success - Erikson is an upgrade on both
 
Eriksen may have been on world class form over recent months but that does not make him world class. His form has co-insided with our rediculous form over recent months - when the tough gets going Eriksen generally goes hiding.

If he continues this form into next season and beyond then that is another matter but i fear people on here and in the media are getting distracted by the recent good form, rather than looking at the whole picture. Just because someone is in good form it doesnt make them a great player who can mix it in the Barca team, look at Vardy.

In response to the Modric comment, he was different class from the moment he walked in the door at Spurs. He was destined from the outset to play for one of the elite clubs in the world.

It takes a special kind of player to play week in, week out at Barca, players on another level football wise. You have to be an 8/10 or more player every week and whether Eriksen is that player, im not so sure and ill come back to you at Christmas.
I'm sorry but that comment sounds at best lacking in measured judgement and at worst lazy. I'm not for one moment disagreeing that Eriksen went through a very poor patch of form over the early part of the season but I simply do not ever recall him hiding.

Perhaps you are referring to the period when he (somewhat untypically) ducked out of certain challenges? If so it was probably during a spell when he was believed to be carrying an injury at the time, something that doubtless also affected his form.

But from what I could see, all the way through that period he kept up his energy levels and overall continued to try his best. Not arguing that too many passes went astray, nor that his dead balls were mostly poor or his shooting often wayward, but throughout that poor spell he still kept going, still kept chasing and harrying, still kept working hard to provide the through ball or well-placed pass that gave his colleagues a chance to break through.

He did that to such an effect that Poch stuck with him. I'll concede there may have been one match when he was subbed off early but otherwise he was never deemed poor enough for Poch to drop him. I'm sure we all know by now how quickly Poch will replace a player he thinks is not giving his all or is contributing too little overall, so that must surely say something?

A couple of other points worth making in Eriksen's defence. Firstly he was not the only player suffering poor form last Autumn, several others including Harry Kane and Dele Alli were also off-key for a while, hence our relatively poor results over that period. Many commented also that several still looked jaded after the summer tournaments, so maybe that too had something to do with it.

Secondly there were occasions last Autumn when teams like Liverpool adopted a maniacal blitzkreig approach in order to stop the ball from getting through to the likes of Dele, Kane and Eriksen, surrounding them with two, three or even four players whose brief was clearly to race at them immediately the ball was passed to them in order to suffocate their supply line. I'm sure you'd agree that even world class players will struggle to thrive in such intensive situations

So I would ask that unless you are able to cite specific occasions when Eriksen was unquestionably guilty of hiding, you reconsider your verdict. Otherwise I for one will feel inclined to view your judgement with greater caution in future.
 
I'm sorry but that comment sounds at best lacking in measured judgement and at worst lazy. I'm not for one moment disagreeing that Eriksen went through a very poor patch of form over the early part of the season but I simply do not ever recall him hiding.

Perhaps you are referring to the period when he (somewhat untypically) ducked out of certain challenges? If so it was probably during a spell when he was believed to be carrying an injury at the time, something that doubtless also affected his form.

But from what I could see, all the way through that period he kept up his energy levels and overall continued to try his best. Not arguing that too many passes went astray, nor that his dead balls were mostly poor or his shooting often wayward, but throughout that poor spell he still kept going, still kept chasing and harrying, still kept working hard to provide the through ball or well-placed pass that gave his colleagues a chance to break through.

He did that to such an effect that Poch stuck with him. I'll concede there may have been one match when he was subbed off early but otherwise he was never deemed poor enough for Poch to drop him. I'm sure we all know by now how quickly Poch will replace a player he thinks is not giving his all or is contributing too little overall, so that must surely say something?

A couple of other points worth making in Eriksen's defence. Firstly he was not the only player suffering poor form last Autumn, several others including Harry Kane and Dele Alli were also off-key for a while, hence our relatively poor results over that period. Many commented also that several still looked jaded after the summer tournaments, so maybe that too had something to do with it.

Secondly there were occasions last Autumn when teams like Liverpool adopted a maniacal blitzkreig approach in order to stop the ball from getting through to the likes of Dele, Kane and Eriksen, surrounding them with two, three or even four players whose brief was clearly to race at them immediately the ball was passed to them in order to suffocate their supply line. I'm sure you'd agree that even world class players will struggle to thrive in such intensive situations

So I would ask that unless you are able to cite specific occasions when Eriksen was unquestionably guilty of hiding, you reconsider your verdict. Otherwise I for one will feel inclined to view your judgement with greater caution in future.

Good post and ok, hiding my have been the wrong adjective to use, however, my intentions remain the same. I cant think of too many occasions when Eriksen single handedly turned a game around on a regular basis through a season with a wonder strike or MOTM performance. Until the last 6 months that is.

That is the mark of a world class player; where the game is at a stalemate or when you are in the brick and need a moment of inspiration or individual brilliance. Unfortunately, for me, until Christmas, Eriksen did not do that and that, for me, is why is isnt world class and isnt a Barca player yet.

I can think of Sheff Utd and Swansea away the season before last.

Until city this season i cant really remember him taking the game to a top 4 team either. Barca can field any players against 90% of la liga, what they want when paying £60+ million for a forward is a player who is guaranteed to turn up against the big boys, Real, Barca, PSG, Chelsea, Byern et al.
 
My bad, the conversation got off topic.

Im still of the opinion that Eriksen, at present, still has not shown enough over a prelonged period to play for Barca. Where will he play? In place of Messi?

Eriksen has had his best period with us playing/floating behind the lone striker. We have set up to accommodate him and Dele in our team. I just cant see or justify Barca spending 60/70/80 million on a player who has historically been flakey who plays in the position of arguibly the best player on the planet.

If Barca can accommodate him elsewhere in the team, fine.

Eriksen may have been on world class form over recent months but that does not make him world class. His form has co-insided with our rediculous form over recent months - when the tough gets going Eriksen generally goes hiding.

If he continues this form into next season and beyond then that is another matter but i fear people on here and in the media are getting distracted by the recent good form, rather than looking at the whole picture. Just because someone is in good form it doesnt make them a great player who can mix it in the Barca team, look at Vardy.

In response to the Modric comment, he was different class from the moment he walked in the door at Spurs. He was destined from the outset to play for one of the elite clubs in the world.

It takes a special kind of player to play week in, week out at Barca, players on another level football wise. You have to be an 8/10 or more player every week and whether Eriksen is that player, im not so sure and ill come back to you at Christmas.
I disagree with a fair bit of what you say here....

A team doesn't need to 'accommodate' Eriksen in the team at all. Eriksen works incredibly hard in both an attacking and defensive sense. He is quick to get back into his defensive position and always tracks his opposing player's runs forward. You have to 'accommodate' a player like Ozil, who plays no part when his team do not have the ball and truly does hide when the going gets tough. Eriksen provides just as much threat in an attacking sense as Ozil does at Arsenal, which is incredible when you consider that he is a major disadvantage to Ozil due to being required to play a part in our defensive game, which Ozil is free'd up from doing at Arsenal.

I said numerous times earlier this season (and I think even last season) that my big worry would be Barcelona coming in for Eriksen. He suits their game perfectly in that he offers movement, has superb vision, lovely control, great passing ability with both feet and combines that with a tireless work rate. Barcelona have dropped off a bit with Xavi and Iniesta's ages starting to catch up with them. Eriksen is the perfect player to replace either of those.
 
In response to the Modric comment, he was different class from the moment he walked in the door at Spurs. He was destined from the outset to play for one of the elite clubs in the world.

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Selective memory there mate, there were many Spurs fans who thought he was lightweight, can not shoot and drifts out of games. Not saying you were one of them but there were fans who put those opinions of him.
 
Selective memory there mate, there were many Spurs fans who thought he was lightweight, can not shoot and drifts out of games. Not saying you were one of them but there were fans who put those opinions of him.

To be fair, he really couldn't shoot. Still can't. And probably will never be able to.

It was, and still is, bloody baffling. The man can hit 90 yard balls onto a 5p coin, but put him in front of goal and, nine times out of ten, he'll hit a weak, dribbling shot that rolls into a bemused keeper's waiting arms.

He really was a man of contradicting characteristics during his time with us. Small and with a really lightweight frame, but easily outmuscled all sorts of real bruisers when put into central midfield. Mousy and long-haired, looking for all the world like he should have had the voice of Tiny Tim - but when he spoke, it was in a bloody deep baritone that put even our burly center-backs to shame. One of the very best players to have ever pulled on our shirt, but left without winning anything. :(

And of course, could pass a ball 90 yards, but couldn't shoot it further than five.
 
To be fair, he really couldn't shoot. Still can't. And probably will never be able to.

It was, and still is, bloody baffling. The man can hit 90 yard balls onto a 5p coin, but put him in front of goal and, nine times out of ten, he'll hit a weak, dribbling shot that rolls into a bemused keeper's waiting arms.

He really was a man of contradicting characteristics during his time with us. Small and with a really lightweight frame, but easily outmuscled all sorts of real bruisers when put into central midfield. Mousy and long-haired, looking for all the world like he should have had the voice of Tiny Tim - but when he spoke, it was in a bloody deep baritone that put even our burly center-backs to shame. One of the very best players to have ever pulled on our shirt, but left without winning anything. :(

And of course, could pass a ball 90 yards, but couldn't shoot it further than five.

You are right he was never " dead eyed dingdong" when it came to shooting but the rest of his game was first class. He always reminded me of Ossie the way he would glide over the pitch and he was as tough as nails. He is the one player i was really upset about losing as he was the heartbeat of our team and i thought we would struggle to find someone who could do the job, Eriksen has picked up that mantle thankfully.
 
To be fair, he really couldn't shoot. Still can't. And probably will never be able to.

It was, and still is, bloody baffling. The man can hit 90 yard balls onto a 5p coin, but put him in front of goal and, nine times out of ten, he'll hit a weak, dribbling shot that rolls into a bemused keeper's waiting arms.

He really was a man of contradicting characteristics during his time with us. Small and with a really lightweight frame, but easily outmuscled all sorts of real bruisers when put into central midfield. Mousy and long-haired, looking for all the world like he should have had the voice of Tiny Tim - but when he spoke, it was in a bloody deep baritone that put even our burly center-backs to shame. One of the very best players to have ever pulled on our shirt, but left without winning anything. :(

And of course, could pass a ball 90 yards, but couldn't shoot it further than five.
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He did score some crackers of that there is no doubt and i never really got those who said he was no good at shooting, we used to have a player here Huddlestone ( the plodder) who i was always being told ( by his supporters) had a great shot on him, when in reality he scored less goals then Modric and played more games.
 
He did score some crackers of that there is no doubt and i never really got those who said he was no good at shooting, we used to have a player here Huddlestone ( the plodder) who i was always being told ( by his supporters) had a great shot on him, when in reality he scored less goals then Modric and played more games.

outcome doesn't determine competency in situations with many variables
 
My bad, the conversation got off topic.

Im still of the opinion that Eriksen, at present, still has not shown enough over a prelonged period to play for Barca. Where will he play? In place of Messi?

Eriksen has had his best period with us playing/floating behind the lone striker. We have set up to accommodate him and Dele in our team. I just cant see or justify Barca spending 60/70/80 million on a player who has historically been flakey who plays in the position of arguibly the best player on the planet.

If Barca can accommodate him elsewhere in the team, fine.

Eriksen may have been on world class form over recent months but that does not make him world class. His form has co-insided with our rediculous form over recent months - when the tough gets going Eriksen generally goes hiding.

If he continues this form into next season and beyond then that is another matter but i fear people on here and in the media are getting distracted by the recent good form, rather than looking at the whole picture. Just because someone is in good form it doesnt make them a great player who can mix it in the Barca team, look at Vardy.

In response to the Modric comment, he was different class from the moment he walked in the door at Spurs. He was destined from the outset to play for one of the elite clubs in the world.

It takes a special kind of player to play week in, week out at Barca, players on another level football wise. You have to be an 8/10 or more player every week and whether Eriksen is that player, im not so sure and ill come back to you at Christmas.
Flakey my ass! He's delivered and been top of the charts in the PL for assists and work rate ever since joining us! He's about a 100 times better than Rakitic for example.
 
Two united fans I know whose opinions I respect thought he was the best player in the league last season and can't believe no one is after him

One described him as Paul scholes esque
 
Two united fans I know whose opinions I respect thought he was the best player in the league last season and can't believe no one is after him

One described him as Paul scholes esque

In my opinion when he when brings his "A" game there is nobody else in our current squad that does what he does. Maybe no one came in for him the same way nobody has come in for Kane, Lloris or Toby, why bother when you have no chance of getting him, especially not this summer at least.
 
Two united fans I know whose opinions I respect thought he was the best player in the league last season and can't believe no one is after him

One described him as Paul scholes esque
He wasn't our best player last season let alone best player in the league. But if he continues to improve from the form he showed for the second half of last season it's inevitable the vultures will be circulating....
 
He wasn't our best player last season let alone best player in the league. But if he continues to improve from the form he showed for the second half of last season it's inevitable the vultures will be circulating....

The thing about Eriksen is that he's surprisingly underrated - even after being so consistently brilliant (occasional mid-season dips aside) that he regularly outdoes Ozil, Hazard, Silva and the like on both the assist charts *and* the 'kilometres run' statistics.

I don't know why that is. It's an odd thing - at his best, you can literally see him orchestrating our games like a maestro, pulling strings, popping up everywhere and wearing the opposition out just by being magnificent on and off the ball. But people don't rate him, despite that.

Maybe it's because he doesn't promote himself much, or come from a more prominent footballing nation (Denmark's good, but not *that* good). But whatever the case, when we eventually lose him (and we will)...it will hurt. Very, very badly.
 
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