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Christian Benteke

Pirate55 said:
Not necessarily. Pochs preferred 4231 system with inverted wingers, necessiates speedy overlapping full backs to provide the width and put in crosses. If Walker could learn to cross like Dier we would have another strong weapon at our disposal with finishers like Kane and Benteke in the team.

As I said earlier, I would prefer to play two up top against the lesser teams we traditionally struggle against at home. Here we don't need two DMs imo.
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That sounds like you would see signing him as meaning a change in playing style
 
pochs style is attacking full backs isn't it... And their job is to go forward and put the ball into dangerous places surely????

Otherwise what are they doing going forward if not making passes (as well as creating space)?

Either way it doesn't detract from my view that Benteke as much as I rate him is too expensive for us
 
Pirate55 said:
Lambert and Llorente are past it. Microfiche is too inexperienced and huge gamble. Next? No one has Benteke's proven credentials in the EPL. He was sh1t yesterday and seemed to me to be completely distracted ( almost drugged!) as his performance was so out of character.

BTW, I was being facetious about the reversion to mean comment! Having said that, I don't expect Kane will reproduce his heroics of this season next season. A dip can certainly be anticipated. To anticipate another 30 plus goal season is fanciful imo. I therefore agree with your conclusion that we need at least one if not two new strikers.
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How are you so certain that the 30 year old Llorente is past it? Or are you just being facetious again?

If we need two new strikers can we really expect one of them to be a £32m player whilst we also strengthen in other areas where most agree that we need strengthening?

I don't think we necessarily need a top class striker to fill the target man role, although having a top class striker in that role would obviously be better... Similarly I don't see why we couldn't possibly go for a young prospect like Mitrovic for that role. Young and inexperienced is part of what we do now. After all it's not like we're buying someone to necessarily come in and be first choice. As for next, how about Gignac - whose done well under Poch's old mentor Bielsa at Marseille? Or Austin whose done well at QPR and is PL proven, probably half the cost of Benteke...
 
Gutter Boy said:
He usually is. Like Ade, he tends to put together an amazing 6-10 game run every other year whenever he fancies a move or new contract.
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So mere mortals like Messi etc have to work hard, be fit, be in form etc but Benteke has a switch where he can be "amazing" whenever he just "fancies" it

Not bad for a "one dimensional" player
 
is benteke injured? youd have thought tim sherwood would have played even a half broken benteke yesterday.
 
braineclipse said:
How are you so certain that the 30 year old Llorente is past it? Or are you just being facetious again?

If we need two new strikers can we really expect one of them to be a £32m player whilst we also strengthen in other areas where most agree that we need strengthening?

I don't think we necessarily need a top class striker to fill the target man role, although having a top class striker in that role would obviously be better... Similarly I don't see why we couldn't possibly go for a young prospect like Mitrovic for that role. Young and inexperienced is part of what we do now. After all it's not like we're buying someone to necessarily come in and be first choice. As for next, how about Gignac - whose done well under Poch's old mentor Bielsa at Marseille? Or Austin whose done well at QPR and is PL proven, probably half the cost of Benteke...
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History suggests an ageing centre forward with no PL experience is likely to take some time to adjust to our faster playing pace - if indeed they ever adjust. Anyone at 30 plus doesn't seem a good option to me. Look at Falcao one of the top European talents) or ahem even closer to home, an ageing Solly. No thanks. Lambert on a free might just be acceptable but we don't have great success with Liverscum rejects (most notably Robbie mark 2).

I think a goal scoring forward is the most important postion in any team. They command big bucks. Currently we have only one - and he has less than a single season to his name. It is an area we need quality and alternatives desperately. Now we have Wimmer, no other area needs strengthening quite so vitally imo
 
milo said:
That sounds like you would see signing him as meaning a change in playing style
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Not at all. In 4231 we have either Kane or Benteke up top. Against lesser teams, I do argue that we need more firepower up top yes. Then I would play both.
 
Pirate55 said:
History suggests an ageing centre forward with no PL experience is likely to take some time to adjust to our faster playing pace - if indeed they ever adjust. Anyone at 30 plus doesn't seem a good option to me. Look at Falcao one of the top European talents) or ahem even closer to home, an ageing Solly. No thanks. Lambert on a free might just be acceptable but we don't have great success with Liverscum rejects (most notably Robbie mark 2).

I think a goal scoring forward is the most important postion in any team. They command big bucks. Currently we have only one - and he has less than a single season to his name. It is an area we need quality and alternatives desperately. Now we have Wimmer, no other area needs strengthening quite so vitally imo
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I'd be interested in which examples you would use to support this
 
Pirate55 said:
History suggests an ageing centre forward with no PL experience is likely to take some time to adjust to our faster playing pace - if indeed they ever adjust. Anyone at 30 plus doesn't seem a good option to me. Look at Falcao one of the top European talents) or ahem even closer to home, an ageing Solly. No thanks. Lambert on a free might just be acceptable but we don't have great success with Liverscum rejects (most notably Robbie mark 2).

I think a goal scoring forward is the most important postion in any team. They command big bucks. Currently we have only one - and he has less than a single season to his name. It is an area we need quality and alternatives desperately. Now we have Wimmer, no other area needs strengthening quite so vitally imo
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So you actually have no idea if Llorente, who also had a very good season under Bielsa not that long ago, is past it or not?

I'd say we need cover and competition for places in all the "front 6" positions. Behind Bentaleb and Mason there's not enough quality. Behind Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela there's not enough quality. Behind Kane there's not enough quality. We'll (again) have limited funds. Even if the striker position is the most important, that doesn't mean that should be prioritized to such an extent.

Pirate55 said:
Not at all. In 4231 we have either Kane or Benteke up top. Against lesser teams, I do argue that we need more firepower up top yes. Then I would play both.
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So the "no brainer" here is breaking our transfer record on a player that when we're playing against teams that aren't "lesser teams" (however you define that) will be a sub, or will make Harry Kane a sub?
 
Pirate55 said:
History suggests an ageing centre forward with no PL experience is likely to take some time to adjust to our faster playing pace - if indeed they ever adjust. Anyone at 30 plus doesn't seem a good option to me. Look at Falcao one of the top European talents) or ahem even closer to home, an ageing Solly. No thanks. Lambert on a free might just be acceptable but we don't have great success with Liverscum rejects (most notably Robbie mark 2).

I think a goal scoring forward is the most important postion in any team. They command big bucks. Currently we have only one - and he has less than a single season to his name. It is an area we need quality and alternatives desperately. Now we have Wimmer, no other area needs strengthening quite so vitally imo
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Starting CM to partner Bentaleb is of greater importance and if Schneiderlin is at all do-able id take him over Benteke (or any other expensive forward) if it was a straight choice between the two
 
billyiddo said:
Starting CM to partner Bentaleb is of greater importance and if Schneiderlin is at all do-able id take him over Benteke (or any other expensive forward) if it was a straight choice between the two
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Yep I'd go with that. Mason will be a good player, I have no doubt, but i think Schneiderlin would improve our starting 11. Benteke a close 2nd though.
 
braineclipse said:
So you actually have no idea if Llorente, who also had a very good season under Bielsa not that long ago, is past it or not?

I'd say we need cover and competition for places in all the "front 6" positions. Behind Bentaleb and Mason there's not enough quality. Behind Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela there's not enough quality. Behind Kane there's not enough quality. We'll (again) have limited funds. Even if the striker position is the most important, that doesn't mean that should be prioritized to such an extent.

We need upgrades in lots of key positions.

So the "no brainer" here is breaking our transfer record on a player that when we're playing against teams that aren't "lesser teams" (however you define that) will be a sub, or will make Harry Kane a sub?
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billyiddo said:
Starting CM to partner Bentaleb is of greater importance and if Schneiderlin is at all do-able id take him over Benteke (or any other expensive forward) if it was a straight choice between the two
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Taking the squad as it stands, we have cover ( albeit limited in some cases) in all positions EXCEPT CF.

Riddle me this - what happens if Kane gets injured on day one of next season?
 
braineclipse said:
So you actually have no idea if Llorente, who also had a very good season under Bielsa not that long ago, is past it or not?

I'd say we need cover and competition for places in all the "front 6" positions. Behind Bentaleb and Mason there's not enough quality. Behind Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela there's not enough quality. Behind Kane there's not enough quality. We'll (again) have limited funds. Even if the striker position is the most important, that doesn't mean that should be prioritized to such an extent.



So the "no brainer" here is breaking our transfer record on a player that when we're playing against teams that aren't "lesser teams" (however you define that) will be a sub, or will make Harry Kane a sub?
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Even you can see that to rely on a single CF all season would be nonsensical. Why are you so sure an ageing Llorente or Lambert or GHod forbid Soldado or Ade are all adequate replacements to lead the line by themselves.
 
milo said:
So are you suggesting we spend £32m on a plan b?
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? A player with Benteke type qualities gives us a range of options. Plans A through Z.

Still waiting for an answer about what happens if Kane gets injured day one?
 
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