Brennan Johnson

[Jurgen the German]

11 goals +4 assists from a winger in a side struggling?

I get Johnson is a limited player, but I'm not sure expectation can be higher unless we are looking for a completely different profile of player

11 goals in a team that plays uber gung ho football.

I think we do need a different type of player personally, one that scores AND whose general play is better than Johnson’s.

 

[braineclipse]

11 goals in a team that plays uber gung ho football.

I think we do need a different type of player personally, one that scores AND whose general play is better than Johnson’s.

We really need Odobert back fit. I think he will add quality, but as much for the profile he is that we really miss.

Moore being back could help too, but he's 17 and has one PL start.

A new forward signing could be very useful too, if the right profile.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

We really need Odobert back fit. I think he will add quality, but as much for the profile he is that we really miss.

Moore being back could help too, but he's 17 and has one PL start.

A new forward signing could be very useful too, if the right profile.

Oderbert looked comfortable on the left
But but not on the right

 

[Yiddo]

11 goals +4 assists from a winger in a side struggling?

I get Johnson is a limited player, but I'm not sure expectation can be higher unless we are looking for a completely different profile of player

Its funny how people forget the stats when they are trying to put down a player but the same people pipe up when its one of their favourites. I was getting goal and assists stats rammed down my throat when i mentioned Son being brick in general play last season and the season before but Johnsons stats are never mentioned as everyone is anti Johnson.

 

[DubSpur]

11 goals in a team that plays uber gung ho football.

I think we do need a different type of player personally, one that scores AND whose general play is better than Johnson’s.

He's our second top scorer in the league. What does that say about the other players if they aren't scoring as much in a team that plays uber gung ho football?

 

[Bishop]

Most of our play drifts to the left when Johnson plays.

I genuinely think the rest of the team are very aware of his limitations and choose not to pass to him unless he's in an absolutely optimum situation.

 

[Bishop]

He's our second top scorer in the league. What does that say about the other players if they aren't scoring as much in a team that plays uber gung ho football?

That we aren't a very good team hence the 12th position halfway through the season?

 

[Yiddo]

I genuinely think the rest of the team are very aware of his limitations and choose not to pass to him unless he's in an absolutely optimum situation.

Plenty of times a chip over the top for him to run onto is on but we never do it. Force him to run into the space, thats what we are not doing so tactically we are not playing to his strengths.

 

[Bishop]

Plenty of times a chip over the top for him to run onto is on but we never do it. Force him to run into the space, thats what we are not doing so tactically we are not playing to his strengths.

Absolutely agree, i don't rate him due to his limitations but we really don't try to maximise his strengths. Hes fast, a good finisher with decent final pass instincts but instead we try playing to his feet in crowded areas when he just can't play that way. Like you say dinked balls into space or longer raking passes would get a lot more out of him.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Its funny how people forget the stats when they are trying to put down a player but the same people pipe up when its one of their favourites. I was getting goal and assists stats rammed down my throat when i mentioned Son being brick in general play last season and the season before but Johnsons stats are never mentioned as everyone is anti Johnson.

The hypocrisy here is that you won’t accept any stats that show Son is creative whether it’s assists, chances created etc. I don’t think anyone on here seriously thinks Son is still a top player, he needs replacing. But you were slating him whenever he didn’t score even when he won the golden boot

 

[Jurgen the German]

He's our second top scorer in the league. What does that say about the other players if they aren't scoring as much in a team that plays uber gung ho football?

That he gets into good goalscoring positions but offers little else? Richarlison had similar numbers last season and scored eerily similar types of goals (tap ins) on the few occasions when he was fit and available.

 

[Yiddo]

The hypocrisy here is that you won’t accept any stats that show Son is creative whether it’s assists, chances created etc. I don’t think anyone on here seriously thinks Son is still a top player, he needs replacing. But you were slating him whenever he didn’t score even when he won the golden boot

I always said he was a world class finisher but when he wasn’t finishing he was shocking, been like that for years. As i said about assists, Tom Carrol got an assist for Bales wonder goal against West ham, getting assists doesn’t make you De Bryune.

Scoring a goal doesn’t mean you have played well.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I always said he was a world class finisher but when he wasn’t finishing he was shocking, been like that for years. As i said about assists, Tom Carrol got an assist for Bales wonder goal against West ham, getting assists doesn’t make you De Bryune.

Scoring a goal doesn’t mean you have played well.

Assists on their own don’t necessarily show a player played well either I agree. But he’s usually in the top 10-20 for chances created as well. The difference between Son and Johnson is Johnson scores tap ins predominantly. Son up until this season was capable of scoring from outside the area, in tight games, he was the only player we had other than Kane who can score from nothing.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Absolutely agree, i don't rate him due to his limitations but we really don't try to maximise his strengths. Hes fast, a good finisher with decent final pass instincts but instead we try playing to his feet in crowded areas when he just can't play that way. Like you say dinked balls into space or longer raking passes would get a lot more out of him.

Don’t get space against teams unless you draw them out
And you don’t do that unless you take the lead or they attack you
It’s why I was so worried seeing Sonny vs pool who actually attacked us. Despite what some think they are both similar (son and Johnson) in that they need space to operate in. But what really, really bothered me with west stand seat was how they played in that game
Johnson was down my side first half. Had very little to attack as w know but made 2 back to back sliding tackles that I’ve not seen him make before
Son was down my side second half and lived in space… not near his man or near an attack. He was a ghost again.
We can only play one of those players in a game. Seeing Werner come on midweek and immediately attack Trent was such a contrast. We need an option like that, but technical, on both sides
My worry is odobert has always been left sided when I’ve seen him
Sonny can’t play right
Richy can’t play right
Moore didn’t look very good on the right in the few cameos I’ve seen
Were stuck
Got to hope Yang steps up and we sign a player who is genuinely versatile
And people remember son for the player he was rather than what he is now
Brennan has to be used in the right situations

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Assists on their own don’t necessarily show a player played well either I agree. But he’s usually in the top 10-20 for chances created as well. The difference between Son and Johnson is Johnson scores tap ins predominantly. Son up until this season was capable of scoring from outside the area, in tight games, he was the only player we had other than Kane who can score from nothing.

Son excelled in counter attacking football
Games where his lack of technical ability when controlling a ball didn’t mater
The best goal I’ve seen him score in a. Long while was been goal vs Everton when he chased down Pickford

 

[braineclipse]

Don’t get space against teams unless you draw them out
And you don’t do that unless you take the lead or they attack you
It’s why I was so worried seeing Sonny vs pool who actually attacked us. Despite what some think they are both similar (son and Johnson) in that they need space to operate in. But what really, really bothered me with west stand seat was how they played in that game
Johnson was down my side first half. Had very little to attack as w know but made 2 back to back sliding tackles that I’ve not seen him make before
Son was down my side second half and lived in space… not near his man or near an attack. He was a ghost again.
We can only play one of those players in a game. Seeing Werner come on midweek and immediately attack Trent was such a contrast. We need an option like that, but technical, on both sides
My worry is odobert has always been left sided when I’ve seen him
Sonny can’t play right
Richy can’t play right
Moore didn’t look very good on the right in the few cameos I’ve seen
Were stuck
Got to hope Yang steps up and we sign a player who is genuinely versatile
And people remember son for the player he was rather than what he is now
Brennan has to be used in the right situations

Fully agreed. Too early to say with Odobert. Us looking for a versatile forward makes a lot of sense, but also needs to be someone that is a different enough profile when playing wide and comfortable on the right (not just able to do a job there).

Son has looked exhausted in recent weeks. And we need fit and good enough options so he doesn't have to play as much so he can play with energy when on the pitch.

 

[braineclipse]

The hypocrisy here is that you won’t accept any stats that show Son is creative whether it’s assists, chances created etc. I don’t think anyone on here seriously thinks Son is still a top player, he needs replacing. But you were slating him whenever he didn’t score even when he won the golden boot

Son and Johnson are very similar in that they're both moments players imo. Can deliver the most important things in football (goals and assists), but often don't contribute that much outside of that in terms of overall attacking play.

Son is and has been creative if your definition of creativity is end product, creating chances. As Johnson has been when set up in the right situation.

That's not the only possible definition of creativity though. If people are talking about creatively combining with others to make or exploit space, or turning average possession under pressure into great possession through skill and dribbling I don't think Son is particularly creative.

Set Son up in the situations he thrives in and he's fantastic at what he does. But he needs that space to run into, space to get on the front foot and run at people or of course a chance to use his ball striking for a shot or cross.

But he's not "creative", he's fairly predictable in what kind of situations he's good in and what he'll do. He's just so good at it that even though people know what's coming he'll still succeed (or used to anyway). He's a creator, but he's not "creative" (by that definition of creativity). Stats for creating chances doesn't change that impression because that's not what all people mean by creative.

Moments players are great, if they're good enough at what they do, but too many moments players leaves a team unbalanced.

 

[harr1984]

Assists on their own don’t necessarily show a player played well either I agree. But he’s usually in the top 10-20 for chances created as well. The difference between Son and Johnson is Johnson scores tap ins predominantly. Son up until this season was capable of scoring from outside the area, in tight games, he was the only player we had other than Kane who can score from nothing.

What is wrong with tap ins? Tap ins arent simple especially at PL level, if you are consistently getting taps ins in the PL then your movement is damn good. And if tap ins were such a simple thing, why isn't Son getting such tap ins? Johnson's problem is that he plays it safe when the ball is at his feet, but he is at least stepping up with important goals and unlike Son doesn't take penalties. Son is such a painful watch 90% of the time now, it really is sad to see.......

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Son and Johnson are very similar in that they're both moments players imo. Can deliver the most important things in football (goals and assists), but often don't contribute that much outside of that in terms of overall attacking play.

Son is and has been creative if your definition of creativity is end product, creating chances. As Johnson has been when set up in the right situation.

That's not the only possible definition of creativity though. If people are talking about creatively combining with others to make or exploit space, or turning average possession under pressure into great possession through skill and dribbling I don't think Son is particularly creative.

Set Son up in the situations he thrives in and he's fantastic at what he does. But he needs that space to run into, space to get on the front foot and run at people or of course a chance to use his ball striking for a shot or cross.

But he's not "creative", he's fairly predictable in what kind of situations he's good in and what he'll do. He's just so good at it that even though people know what's coming he'll still succeed (or used to anyway). He's a creator, but he's not "creative" (by that definition of creativity). Stats for creating chances doesn't change that impression because that's not what all people mean by creative.

Moments players are great, if they're good enough at what they do, but too many moments players leaves a team unbalanced.

Son thrives or did thrive in counter attacking
He has never thrived in possession football because all his weaknesses are highlighted
Same can be said of Johnson but I’d argue Johnson is still impacting games even against low blocks … possibly because he has better creative outlets on the right.
But what bothers me with sonny, massively is the illusion he offers something defensively. He never ever does. He can’t run or seems unable too now and that’s a real worry. It’s why he always seems to be in the wrong place now
Strangely it’s the opposite for Johnson who does seem to be in the right place attack wise at least to get his goals
The below photo is one I took to show a mate something I noticed at the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game. This was when Brennan and Reggie decided to pass crosses to each other rather than shoot

look where son is…were chasing the game and he is nowhere near the ball or the goal. Worse was Maddison who again got plaudits for changing things in the last 30… not even there
10… TEN Saudi Sportswashing Machine players in their area and our two highest paid attacking talents are nowhere
That doesnt excuse Johnson and Reggie not burying it

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What is wrong with tap ins? Tap ins arent simple especially at PL level, if you are consistently getting taps ins in the PL then your movement is damn good. And if tap ins were such a simple thing, why isn't Son getting such tap ins? Johnson's problem is that he plays it safe when the ball is at his feet, but he is at least stepping up with important goals and unlike Son doesn't take penalties. Son is such a painful watch 90% of the time now, it really is sad to see.......

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