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AVB

Jurgen the German said:
Because AVB told him he wouldn't be first choice anymore.
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He changed his mind later on, apparently, but by then VdV was set on leaving.

braineclipse said:
You really think he "lost VdV"? As in, he couldn't have kept him if he wanted to? Really?
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No, I don't think he 'lost' VdV. Hence my mostly consistent insistence that some exaggeration is admittedly present in AVB's statement. Does it disqualify the rest of what he said?
 
thfcsteff said:
I think the club have behaved wrong here. They should've shut up and let him go on. Laundry should be done privately, not in public. AVB is showing himself more and more to be spoilt and somewhat unstable when it comes to keeping his gunpowder dry. He has broken a confidentiality clause by speaking out like this, no doubt in my mind, and I have to wonder why now? And the club? Just flat-bat it. Say nothing or give a whitewash statement. This is the wrong move IMO.

The MAIN winner tonight, is Poch, who's hand just got a whole lot stronger given how Levy does not like too much negative attention directed his way.
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Pretty much this. If Poch leaves the way AVB left/is sacked, all he has to do is say the same things AVB said (Just changing the names to 'Schneiderlin', 'Rodriguez', and 'Lovren/Moreno') to make the Spurs job look like a death sentence for any ambitious young manager's career. After all, that'll be four consecutive managers that will have said the same thing at that point, not even including Sherwood's blubbing.

Levy's in a tight spot now. I hope Poch makes him sweat a bit.
 
DubaiSpur said:
No, I don't think he 'lost' VdV. Hence my mostly consistent insistence that some exaggeration is admittedly present in AVB's statement. Does it disqualify the rest of what he said?
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It doesn't disqualify the rest of what he said. But AVB is already clearly not impartial on this, and he obviously has an agenda promoting him as the victim in this situation. Already I take his statements with a heart problem inducing amount of salt. Him saying something that seems to be rather directly incorrect/exaggerated further adds to the amount of salt I think is appropriate.

This of course is added to my rather long lasting views that identifying only one, expensive, top class, high profile target for a position and then being upset if he can't be signed is rather silly. The Tevez-or-Saha approach. AVB is essentially admitting to this and so I think a rather large portion of the blame is on him. This is further strengthened by us not signing a single Moutinho-esque midfielder in any of the transfer windows while he was here. Despite us signing a ****ton of central midfielders. If he really wasn't capable of making the point for a midfielder like that to the transfer committee after how important Modric was for us he was a dreadful communicator. If he just couldn't identify another target like him his knowledge of world football was too limited.

Compare and contrast to this window. Moreno injured, Musacchio too expensive. Never mind, more alternatives available. Let's get Fazio and get on with it. Schneiderlin too expensive, let's get Stambouli and give Bentaleb and Mason a real go and let's get on with playing the kind of football Schneiderlin also would have fitted nicely into.
 
not having a go at Poch (or the transfer committee), but, there is something in AVB saying he couldn't get the targets he wanted to improve us when pretty much every player we have signed since has been at best an equal to the non megastar players we sold, yes we didn't get Moreno or Musacchio and we went with secondary target Fazio, but is he any better than Dawson, we signed Chadli, and sold Dempsey, Stambouli in, Livermore out...

is there any point in having secondary targets when they don't make you any better?
 
galeforce said:
not having a go at Poch (or the transfer committee), but, there is something in AVB saying he couldn't get the targets he wanted to improve us when pretty much every player we have signed since has been at best an equal to the non megastar players we sold, yes we didn't get Moreno or Musacchio and we went with secondary target Fazio, but is he any better than Dawson, we signed Chadli, and sold Dempsey, Stambouli in, Livermore out...

is there any point in having secondary targets when they don't make you any better?
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I think Fazio is better than Dawson and better suited to our current style of football than Dawson.

Dempsey was good, but getting up there in age and probably moved on at around the last time we could get decent money for him. You say Chadli replaced him, but an equal argument could be made that Eriksen replaced him could it not?

Jury is still out on Stambouli, but he looks promising. Might have been signed as more of a squad player to replace the very injury prone Sandro?
 
thfcsteff said:
I think the club have behaved wrong here. They should've shut up and let him go on. Laundry should be done privately, not in public. AVB is showing himself more and more to be spoilt and somewhat unstable when it comes to keeping his gunpowder dry. He has broken a confidentiality clause by speaking out like this, no doubt in my mind, and I have to wonder why now? And the club? Just flat-bat it. Say nothing or give a whitewash statement. This is the wrong move IMO.

The MAIN winner tonight, is Poch, who's hand just got a whole lot stronger given how Levy does not like too much negative attention directed his way.
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Yeah, the spokesman probably shouldn't have dignified his comments with a response but the fact that AVB has ****ged off both the clubs he worked for in England surely won't help his future employment chances, well assuming he doesn't intend to spend the rest of his career trying to set more Russian League records.

camspur said:
Think it was clear that at the end AVB had lost two things, the changing room and the Chairman's support.
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Surely he lost three things, as most Spurs fans I knew were not that sad to see the back of AVB at the end of his tenure. It was one thing watching turgid football when we were grinding out results during the "record points haul" campaign but when we didn't have Bale's long range wonder goals to rescue games and instead had to endure repeated thrashings it was a different matter.
 
galeforce said:
not having a go at Poch (or the transfer committee), but, there is something in AVB saying he couldn't get the targets he wanted to improve us when pretty much every player we have signed since has been at best an equal to the non megastar players we sold, yes we didn't get Moreno or Musacchio and we went with secondary target Fazio, but is he any better than Dawson, we signed Chadli, and sold Dempsey, Stambouli in, Livermore out...

is there any point in having secondary targets when they don't make you any better?
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I dont think its really the case that we have primary or secondary targets. I suspect our transfer policy is much more about getting players in that we feel are undervalued (or players that can improve with us). Thats probably why the likes of Defoe, Dempsey and Dawson were allowed to leave. Their value was probably deemed to be decreasing, and so we replaced them with younger guys whos value could increase. And in some cases, the replacements were worse.

I think the logic in signing guys like Chadli and Stambouli is that some of them will turn out to be the next modric or bale. Which was impossible for the likes of dempsey given their age. I think this could be why AVB and Redknapp never seemed to really get on with levy. These guys seem to be more about getting in (ready-made) players that will solve current problems, rather than looking at long term player development (increasing value).
 
I think everyone has missed one of they key points of the AVB interview, the interesting point was his comments about England and the media scrutiny.

In my opinion, he's cracked under pressure twice in England ..
 
Raziel said:
I think everyone has missed one of they key points of the AVB interview, the interesting point was his comments about England and the media scrutiny.

In my opinion, he's cracked under pressure twice in England ..
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Not missed me at all mate. I actually said as his ship was going down here that I felt he had a 'bunker-semi-asperges' response to pressure whereby rather than get 'the troops rallied' he went into hole and repelled people around him.
 
Raziel said:
I think everyone has missed one of they key points of the AVB interview, the interesting point was his comments about England and the media scrutiny.

In my opinion, he's cracked under pressure twice in England ..
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His style and approach wasn't suited to England, he'll continue to do well in other leagues
 
braineclipse said:
It doesn't disqualify the rest of what he said. But AVB is already clearly not impartial on this, and he obviously has an agenda promoting him as the victim in this situation. Already I take his statements with a heart problem inducing amount of salt. Him saying something that seems to be rather directly incorrect/exaggerated further adds to the amount of salt I think is appropriate.

This of course is added to my rather long lasting views that identifying only one, expensive, top class, high profile target for a position and then being upset if he can't be signed is rather silly. The Tevez-or-Saha approach. AVB is essentially admitting to this and so I think a rather large portion of the blame is on him. This is further strengthened by us not signing a single Moutinho-esque midfielder in any of the transfer windows while he was here. Despite us signing a ****ton of central midfielders. If he really wasn't capable of making the point for a midfielder like that to the transfer committee after how important Modric was for us he was a dreadful communicator. If he just couldn't identify another target like him his knowledge of world football was too limited.

Compare and contrast to this window. Moreno injured, Musacchio too expensive. Never mind, more alternatives available. Let's get Fazio and get on with it. Schneiderlin too expensive, let's get Stambouli and give Bentaleb and Mason a real go and let's get on with playing the kind of football Schneiderlin also would have fitted nicely into.
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Brilliant post. I am finding AVB more dislikeable than even Redknapp.
 
For the record I believe Schneiderlin to be a more realistic target than Moutinho was at the time. Moutinho had third party ownership issues, would have commanded a big wage with a pick of European clubs, and was risky considering he had never played in PL . Schneiderlin imo, would come if ( and that's a big "if") we could agree a transfer fee with Southampton.
 
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