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What in his style wasn't suited to England?

I think the big emphasis on patient possession, which translates a lot of the time in PL fans (and commentators) eyes as "boring".
Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and probably most Latin American fans and commentators would appreciate those methods much more imo
 
Dubai - you are clearly way too intelligent to believe what you are typing. Stop it. Please.

I is the smartest man that ever dun been seen, and I gon say what I want. :) In any case, I'm trying to draw down my ENIC/AVB posts. This disclosure sparked some comments on my part, but normal service should be resumed shortly.
 
I think the big emphasis on patient possession, which translates a lot of the time in PL fans (and commentators) eyes as "boring".
Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and probably most Latin American fans and commentators would appreciate those methods much more imo

I think AVB has two issues

- By his own admission, the pressure/scrutiny of the PL/media in England is too much for him ..
- Overly defensive fails in the PL, even Jose has learned that, if you err in the PL, it has to be towards attack, otherwise you will draw against low level sides and/or they will ****ing mug you 1:0
 
I think AVB has two issues

- By his own admission, the pressure/scrutiny of the PL/media in England is too much for him ..
- Overly defensive fails in the PL, even Jose has learned that, if you err in the PL, it has to be towards attack, otherwise you will draw against low level sides and/or they will ****ing mug you 1:0

Another important factor is that young managers never succeed in England. How many young managers have won a trophy in England in the last 30 years or so ? AVB was simply too young when he managed Chelsea and Spurs. Only experienced managers can handle the pressure to manage in England. The PL era have been dominated by experienced managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Mancini and Pellegrini. There is a long list of young managers who have failed. This is why Pochettino will have problem bringing success to us.
 
Another important factor is that young managers never succeed in England. How many young managers have won a trophy in England in the last 30 years or so ? AVB was simply too young when he managed Chelsea and Spurs. Only experienced managers can handle the pressure to manage in England. The PL era have been dominated by experienced managers like Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Mancini and Pellegrini. There is a long list of young managers who have failed. This is why Pochettino will have problem bringing success to us.

Mourinho was young when he first came to Chelsea
 
Classless comments there by the carlatan avb.... Imagine if Tim said such things... No doubt there will be some on here that will still defend the fraud.
 
I think the big emphasis on patient possession, which translates a lot of the time in PL fans (and commentators) eyes as "boring".
Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and probably most Latin American fans and commentators would appreciate those methods much more imo

That's because it is more boring. But more importantly, it's ineffective in the premier league.
 
I think that his issues were in his head not on the pitch.

That's too simplistic. If he didn't have issues on the pitch he wouldn't have been sacked by Chelsea and Spurs. But I agree he had major issues dealing with pressure which is why I don't see him managing at a "big club" again.
 
very different scenarios iirc

at spurs he was still getting results, albeit with not many goals scored and a style of play some fans didn't like, there were also some shocking hammerings, but we were still on course to get roughly the same points tally as before and 4th was a possibility, I think levy is pragmatic enough that he'd take CL qualification over pretty football, the sacking was due to personal relationship breakdowns

at Chelsea, RA hired him to rip the squad up, break the cliques and build a new team, RA then sacked him because he was trying to rip the squad up and break the cliques whilst building a new team

also I think in certain situations he dealt with the pressure ok, in the two highest profile ones he had a go at the fans and a go at the press, but in both cases he was absolutely right to do so
 
very different scenarios iirc

at spurs he was still getting results, albeit with not many goals scored and a style of play some fans didn't like, there were also some shocking hammerings, but we were still on course to get roughly the same points tally as before and 4th was a possibility, I think levy is pragmatic enough that he'd take CL qualification over pretty football, the sacking was due to personal relationship breakdowns

at Chelsea, RA hired him to rip the squad up, break the cliques and build a new team, RA then sacked him because he was trying to rip the squad up and break the cliques whilst building a new team

also I think in certain situations he dealt with the pressure ok, in the two highest profile ones he had a go at the fans and a go at the press, but in both cases he was absolutely right to do so

I do not believe for a second that we would have achieved the same points tally as his first season because we were playing terribly when he was sacked.

At Chelsea, he tried to change too much too soon and ended up alienating the players, including Lampard who went on to be very productive for Chelsea after AVB was sacked. The same Lampard who is still scoring goals at Emirates Marketing Project who don't want to let him leave in January despite only signing him on a short term loan. His results were nowhere near good enough at Chelsea to justify the changes he made, he may have gotten away with it had they been challenging for the title, but they were scraping around 5th-6th place despite having the 2nd/3rd best squad in the league at the time and the highest budget along with Emirates Marketing Project. Ripping up the squad is one thing, but you have to get results to justify it.
 
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very different scenarios iirc

at spurs he was still getting results, albeit with not many goals scored and a style of play some fans didn't like, there were also some shocking hammerings, but we were still on course to get roughly the same points tally as before and 4th was a possibility, I think levy is pragmatic enough that he'd take CL qualification over pretty football, the sacking was due to personal relationship breakdowns

at Chelsea, RA hired him to rip the squad up, break the cliques and build a new team, RA then sacked him because he was trying to rip the squad up and break the cliques whilst building a new team

also I think in certain situations he dealt with the pressure ok, in the two highest profile ones he had a go at the fans and a go at the press, but in both cases he was absolutely right to do so


re: the position we were in when he left, someone pointed out in another thread that we were in a similar position in 2002 and finished 10th that season. He had an enormous amount of luck in those 1st few games, that would have run out eventually. Also he has been at pains to point out that he left "by mutual consent" rather than being sacked. If he thought we would finish in the Champs league position why did he leave?

Re: he was right to have a go at the press and fans, the former maybe but it does the club no favours, the latter absolutely not. You didn't accept it from Harry why was it ok for AVB to do it?
 
Btw with regard to AVB's time at Chelsea, Abramovich may have employed him to "rip the squad up, break up the cliques and build a new team" that was clearly abramovich's mistake in that AVB had no prior experience of any of this, he was never going to succeed. That AVB still thinks he might have succeeded and that he only didn't because Abramovich broke his promises to himis frankly delusional. Notice that those 3 things have now been completed at Chelsea by Mourinho. Tbh Abramovich only employed AVB because at the time, he was a "shiny new toy" and then sacked him because he realised the scale of his mistake.
 
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very different scenarios iirc

at spurs he was still getting results, albeit with not many goals scored and a style of play some fans didn't like, there were also some shocking hammerings, but we were still on course to get roughly the same points tally as before and 4th was a possibility, I think levy is pragmatic enough that he'd take CL qualification over pretty football, the sacking was due to personal relationship breakdowns

at Chelsea, RA hired him to rip the squad up, break the cliques and build a new team, RA then sacked him because he was trying to rip the squad up and break the cliques whilst building a new team

also I think in certain situations he dealt with the pressure ok, in the two highest profile ones he had a go at the fans and a go at the press, but in both cases he was absolutely right to do so

You can be "right to have a go" but not if its a reaction to pressure. SAF/Jose/etc. may "have a go" but its planned/calculated to achieve something. AVB "snapped" under pressure and made his case worse, made the pressure for him and the team worse.

Read his interview again, basically he's admitted he can't take/handle the scrutiny of English media. He may have the makings of a decent coach, but that admission in itself shows his ceiling is extremely limited, you actually have to like/revel in the pressure at the top level to be the best, he just can't cut it.
 
Andrew Gaffney @GaffneyVLC ·

AVB (on Sherwood cont): “He continued after I left and his leadership resulted in a extreme split between the players and the coach."
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Andrew Gaffney @GaffneyVLC ·

AVB (on Sherwood): "Tim was not part of my team, but I already alerted the president that he was detrimental to the club."
 
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