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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread
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africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
pfah, lets bury those two topics in particular...no harm no foul....you like a few others never play the man..or at least try not to
but you should know i will be looking with keen interest how deep the stats in your assumptions go and which rumours AT ALL you use...wink wink LOL.
OH MY GHod i just realised something...you have a picture of jesus as your avatar...
how this for a Judas iscariot prophesy....by the end of the week you would have made a claim of something without actuarial and advanced analytics AND you would have come to a conclusion based on external sources not even close to the primary. You will do this at least 3 times....
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Thats not Jesus - thats "Buddy Christ" from Dogma
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
It's a picture of 'Buddy Christ', a tinkle take out of Dogma. A decent film, not that amazing though.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Surprised me that did but fair enough, if he wants to stick with it then good on him. It suited our players and maybe the different training methods and combinations he talks of will allow us to break teams down that park the bus and give us the consistency that we struggled for at the end of last season.
Would have liked to see us in 4-3-3 and see what Bale could have done in that but it's not a problem.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I read about him thinking that 4-3-3 was the best way to play the game, and he definitely did that at Porto.
Will be interesting to see how he does with a 4-4-1-1, because even though the shapes will largely be the same a lot of the time, there are subtle differences. I hope he can carry it off with the same level of success, and I think he will.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'm not saying that it would not have been interesting but I think that the formation we've been playing the last couple of years suits Bale (and Lennon and VdV) far better than 4-3-3 would. I'm pleased with this news, it is a good and pragmatic decision. AVB has impressed me so far, he hasn't got everything right but he's got off to a good start.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
oh yeah, i remember that
milo
Jack L. Jones
Whatever system we play, we need a quality replacement for Modrid, if he leaves. The main advantage of 4-4-1-1 with our squad is that Lennon and Bale are more effective playing wide and as he says, we have two attacking midfielders/link men who are happy supporting a striker and will get goals.
Not gonna say I told you so but........... I did tell you so that it wasn't a guarantee avb would play 433 only to be laughed at and cut down by gutter boy for not knowing avb
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
Good call from you
personally i didnt know anything about the AVBs intimate feelings on formations until people started drawing things on here. i just knew what he did at chelsea
Good to see that people dont know first hand what the coach is going to do just because he did it in the past
So it seemed last night for all the chatter of AVB going with a 4-5-1, it seemed that after we made our changes, around the 60 min mark, we began to pass it around a bit better and maintain possession in a formation resembling a 4-3-3. This could've been down to the players that came in (Carroll in particular looked extremely confident on the ball) but once the changes were made, we had some quality fluid movement.
From the off it was:
--------------- Defoe
---------- Van der Vaart
Bale -- Sigg - Livermore -- Townsend
Bassong - Verts - Kaboul - Walker
-------------- Cudicini
To be fair, Sigg playing in a deeper CM role really wasn't working for us. We were overrun in midfield and had no chance at keeping possession. In effect, we were playing with 2 ACMs and 1 DM. We were genuinely lacking a ball playing midfielder, and it was glaringly obvious.
In midfield, Bale was dominant (set up an easy chance for Sigg, was denied 2 stone wall pens in the box), and Townsend though he lost possession a few times, was eager to take on his man at any chance. Townsend really looked quick footed and quick thinking in his approach, and I'm excited to see what he can do for us this season. Livermore started out slow, but after about 15 minutes or so began to work to his strengths in keeping the ball moving at the back and putting in a good tackle when needed. VdV was a bit dissapointing IMO but to be fair, he didn't have much service in the short while he was on before hurting himself. Sigg didn't play his best game, and blew the easiest chance of the game, but his cross to Bale for the goal was class.
Our defense seemed non-existent at times at the back, and it'll be interesting to see how this progresses during the preseason. Kaboul and Verts looked well confident on the ball. Bassong wasn't woeful, but he wasn't good either. He's just not a true LB. The biggest problem I noticed was when Walker and Lennon were on together there was a lack of spacing down the right side. Townsend seemed to link with Walker much more effectively than Lennon for whatever reason and didn't ever seem to get in Walkers way as Lennon constantly did. If we're going to play a system with Walker and Benny constantly getting to the end line, we might be better suited to play Townsend instead of Lennon. **Notice I'm not saying Townsend is a better player than Lennon, just that he might be more suited to our style of play.
After the changes, IMO we took a better shape:
Bentley ------- Kane ------- Lennon
--- Jenas ---- Carroll ---- Hudd ---
Benoit --- Verts -- Dawson -- Naughton
-------------- Cudicini
Playing 3 CMs (who all offer different strengths) really allowed us to pass it around much better and maintain possession more effectively than before the changes. Also, it seemed interesting that AVB put Bentley wide left and asked him to cut inside. He was rather effective to be fair. Jenas didnt seem to do anything, and Hudd looked a bit slow which is to be expected this early in the preseason. Something I did notice however was that we stopped looking so open at the back once we brought on Carroll and Hudd (2 midfielders more than capable of keeping possession).
Kane seemed much more active than Defoe, and was close to creating a goal for himself on a ball played through to him from the right. Defoe really needs a big man to work with, and it seems his only strength is ripping in shots from just outside the box. His pace is gone, he's too short to head, he's not strong enough to shrug off defenders, and he offers nothing in link up play. I for one will be thrilled if we can off him for a couple million in hopes of bringing in someone who offers more than just one of the attributes above.
So going on what we saw last night, if the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game was next up, I'd likely play:
Bale ------- Kane ----- Townsend
---- Carroll ----- Sigg
----------- Sandro
Benoit - Verts - Kaboul - Walker
----------- Friedel
From the off it was:
--------------- Defoe
---------- Van der Vaart
Bale -- Sigg - Livermore -- Townsend
Bassong - Verts - Kaboul - Walker
-------------- Cudicini
To be fair, Sigg playing in a deeper CM role really wasn't working for us. We were overrun in midfield and had no chance at keeping possession. In effect, we were playing with 2 ACMs and 1 DM. We were genuinely lacking a ball playing midfielder, and it was glaringly obvious.
In midfield, Bale was dominant (set up an easy chance for Sigg, was denied 2 stone wall pens in the box), and Townsend though he lost possession a few times, was eager to take on his man at any chance. Townsend really looked quick footed and quick thinking in his approach, and I'm excited to see what he can do for us this season. Livermore started out slow, but after about 15 minutes or so began to work to his strengths in keeping the ball moving at the back and putting in a good tackle when needed. VdV was a bit dissapointing IMO but to be fair, he didn't have much service in the short while he was on before hurting himself. Sigg didn't play his best game, and blew the easiest chance of the game, but his cross to Bale for the goal was class.
Our defense seemed non-existent at times at the back, and it'll be interesting to see how this progresses during the preseason. Kaboul and Verts looked well confident on the ball. Bassong wasn't woeful, but he wasn't good either. He's just not a true LB. The biggest problem I noticed was when Walker and Lennon were on together there was a lack of spacing down the right side. Townsend seemed to link with Walker much more effectively than Lennon for whatever reason and didn't ever seem to get in Walkers way as Lennon constantly did. If we're going to play a system with Walker and Benny constantly getting to the end line, we might be better suited to play Townsend instead of Lennon. **Notice I'm not saying Townsend is a better player than Lennon, just that he might be more suited to our style of play.
After the changes, IMO we took a better shape:
Bentley ------- Kane ------- Lennon
--- Jenas ---- Carroll ---- Hudd ---
Benoit --- Verts -- Dawson -- Naughton
-------------- Cudicini
Playing 3 CMs (who all offer different strengths) really allowed us to pass it around much better and maintain possession more effectively than before the changes. Also, it seemed interesting that AVB put Bentley wide left and asked him to cut inside. He was rather effective to be fair. Jenas didnt seem to do anything, and Hudd looked a bit slow which is to be expected this early in the preseason. Something I did notice however was that we stopped looking so open at the back once we brought on Carroll and Hudd (2 midfielders more than capable of keeping possession).
Kane seemed much more active than Defoe, and was close to creating a goal for himself on a ball played through to him from the right. Defoe really needs a big man to work with, and it seems his only strength is ripping in shots from just outside the box. His pace is gone, he's too short to head, he's not strong enough to shrug off defenders, and he offers nothing in link up play. I for one will be thrilled if we can off him for a couple million in hopes of bringing in someone who offers more than just one of the attributes above.
So going on what we saw last night, if the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game was next up, I'd likely play:
Bale ------- Kane ----- Townsend
---- Carroll ----- Sigg
----------- Sandro
Benoit - Verts - Kaboul - Walker
----------- Friedel
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
That's pretty much spot on imo...
I'd just want to add that i liked what i saw for the goal. Not only was it a brilliant cross from Sig, but Bale and Townsend were racing to get into the box before the cross was delivered. If your going to cross like that, you need the players in the box.
I'd just want to add that i liked what i saw for the goal. Not only was it a brilliant cross from Sig, but Bale and Townsend were racing to get into the box before the cross was delivered. If your going to cross like that, you need the players in the box.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
I wouldn't start crowing until the season starts if I were you.