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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

Spursalot said:
In fairness to MLK's comment Parker was injured/exhausted for quite a bit of the second half..
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Exactly; point being that Parker's impact on our posession game went downhill in the second half of the season overall; it improved (our posession game, that is) once VDV/Sandro/Modric were able to create an understanding as Raziel pointed out
 
glorygloryeze said:
And what about the second half of the season (i mean where did Parker's impact on our possession game go then)?
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It didn't go anywhere. We still dominated possession even when we weren't winning games. The problem then for me was a lack of width, and cutting edge. No co-incidence that our winning ways returned the moment Lennon returned to the team hugging the touch line.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
It didn't go anywhere. We still dominated possession even when we weren't winning games. The problem then for me was a lack of width, and cutting edge. No co-incidence that our winning ways returned the moment Lennon returned to the team hugging the touch line.
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Agreed. That and also people finally paying attention to the fact that when we're in a sticky patch, Bale plays on the left!!!! I also agree with your comments re: Parker, though I do wish we hadn't overplayed him. Sandro coming in really helped us pick back up. I don't blame Parker, I lament the fact he was played too often in those last few months when he was quite obviously carrying a niggle which became a knock which became a problem...
 
thfcsteff said:
Agreed. That and also people finally paying attention to the fact that when we're in a sticky patch, Bale plays on the left!!!! I also agree with your comments re: Parker, though I do wish we hadn't overplayed him. Sandro coming in really helped us pick back up. I don't blame Parker, I lament the fact he was played too often in those last few months when he was quite obviously carrying a niggle which became a knock which became a problem...
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This, he obviously played with the injury for a number of weeks, for this he should get some credit, as mentioned earlier we lacked a cutting edge for the amount of possesion we had, if RVP had remained injured then 3rd would have been a breeze, small margins.
 
4-1-1-2-1-1-1 is the way forward
Fake number nines
Real number tens
Sweeper keepers
Headache ahhh seriously bad headache
Hulk- what does he do
Bale left back
33 vs 51 vs 23? BS
Where does Lennon fit in.
This thread causes nervous breakdowns.

TEN OUTFIELD PLAYERS TRYING TO WIN A GAME!
 
Parkers fine for charging round the field putting his body on the line. What he does not contribute, not even slightly, is to a passing game.

His annoying, constrictive 1-2's put the recipient under pressure whilst achieving little else. Its not give and go, its get the ball, possibly do 17 pirouhettes going nowhere, then as a last resort run directly towards a player, normally towards our own goal and then play a straight 4 yard pass to some poor bastard.

I'm not blind to Parker's obvious benefits/talents - but to even remotely accuse him of benefitting a passing game is absolutely ludicrous and simply not true.

With the ball at his feet im not sure i've ever seen a more limited footballer (playing at such a high level).
 
Wriggly said:
Say we lost Modric and didnt directly replace him, what would be wrong with this ?


---------------Ade?---------------

Bale-------------------------Lennon

-------------Sigurddson-----------

----------VDV----------------------

-------------------Sandro/Parker--
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Nothing wrong at all mate.
 
Armchair Expert said:
Parkers fine for charging round the field putting his body on the line. What he does not contribute, not even slightly, is to a passing game.

His annoying, constrictive 1-2's put the recipient under pressure whilst achieving little else. Its not give and go, its get the ball, possibly do 17 pirouhettes going nowhere, then as a last resort run directly towards a player, normally towards our own goal and then play a straight 4 yard pass to some poor bastard.

I'm not blind to Parker's obvious benefits/talents - but to even remotely accuse him of benefitting a passing game is absolutely ludicrous and simply not true.

With the ball at his feet im not sure i've ever seen a more limited footballer (playing at such a high level).
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I disagree with you there mate. Parker is the reason why our passing game was as good as it was, he did one twos, played balls back and forth between defence and himself allowing space for other. When he was out of the game, we had no one who would come and pick up the ball and lay it off straght away
 
africanspurs said:
I'm not on board with this thing about VDV having alot of defensive responsibility in midfield. we'd get fried i think

swap him and siggy , pray that siggy has got a good engine and a great brain......then we are on the move.
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You will be on board soon. It takes time, that's all, just time. AVB will play him there a few games then you'll understand the powers of VDV in CM.

Am i right in assuming you don't really rate VDV as much as most...would that be a fair assumption?
 
Kingdawson said:
You will be on board soon. It takes time, that's all, just time. AVB will play him there a few games then you'll understand the powers of VDV in CM.

Am i right in assuming you don't really rate VDV as much as most...would that be a fair assumption?
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Yes. i dont think he is a bad player. i just dont think he is world class like people say that he is. he can have world class performances here and there...but for me they are rare and far between. it could be a system thing and players not carrying out their instructions o allow him to show his skills....even bergkamp looked pretty ordinary when playing with a bunch of statutes in italy.

its like that distance covered statistic...none of that means that it actually applies to rigorous hard work used intelligently off the ball when we are defending. but people see that and the natural assumption is that he runs his socks off closing people down.

also the figures two seasons ago showed that we got more points per game and score more goals when VDV did not start the game as a second striker verus when he started the game as a second striker

still he is probably the best , most talented player on our team and i would rather have him in the squad than not
 
africanspurs said:
Yes. i dont think he is a bad player. i just dont think he is world class like people say that he is. he can have world class performances here and there...but for me they are rare and far between. it could be a system thing and players not carrying out their instructions o allow him to show his skills....even bergkamp looked pretty ordinary when playing with a bunch of statutes in italy.

its like that distance covered statistic...none of that means that it actually applies to rigorous hard work used intelligently off the ball when we are defending. but people see that and the natural assumption is that he runs his socks off closing people down.

also the figures two seasons ago showed that we got more points per game and score more goals when VDV did not start the game as a second striker verus when he started the game as a second striker

still he is probably the best , most talented player on our team and i would rather have him in the squad than not
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Surely that then also depends who we played vdv against? If he played against the top teams and was left out in favour of a second striker against the weaker teams then that would be pretty much the expected result.
 
We're already too soft centrally without sticking Rafa in there. I'm sure Andre has enough about him to know Raf's strengths and weaknesses.
 
I don't think that playing VdV in central midfield would be particularly successful either. Could he play there? Yes. Would he be better than he is further forwards? Doubtful. If AVB plays 4-3-3 like everyone expects, I would be amazed if he played VdV anywhere other than in the front three and I think that will probably be at the expense of Lennon.
 
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