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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

I'm sorry but any half decent manager would be able to take players like Bale, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Adebayor, Parker, Kaboul, Benny, Sandro, Lennon, Walker and build a decent team out of it.

Harry simply picks an 11 and puts them out on a pitch. We have no system, tactics or way of playing. All other top teams in the PL, even teams low down in the league, have systems etc. It means that you have something to fall back on if things arent going your way and people arent playing well

For the calibre of players at Harry's dispsoal, he really should ahve done far better

We need a manager with a brain rather than a clueless, imcompetent clown
 
I'm sorry but any half decent manager would be able to take players like Bale, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Adebayor, Parker, Kaboul, Benny, Sandro, Lennon, Walker and build a decent team out of it.

Harry simply picks an 11 and puts them out on a pitch. We have no system, tactics or way of playing. All other top teams in the PL, even teams low down in the league, have systems etc. It means that you have something to fall back on if things arent going your way and people arent playing well

For the calibre of players at Harry's dispsoal, he really should ahve done far better

We need a manager with a brain rather than a clueless, imcompetent clown

I thought we had a clear system and plan today - we were sitting deeper, getting VDV playing deeper so we were more solid defensively, and then looked to break with Bale and Lennon. I thought we were the better team overall in the first half, aside from taking chances.
 
You can have any tactic, if you dont score easy chances and referees are against you, you're not going to win many games.

Having said that, we were too open, again, modric cant defend, so the question is, if you have sandro and parker, where do you play Modric?

Modric is no Roy Keane but to say he can't defend is just wrong.
 
Football is a game of moments and every important game changing moment was Chelsea's today. Strangely even the Bale goal was a double edged sword. A peno and red card would have been better (in hindsight).
 
You can talk formations all you want but we'll still concede if we dont have a back 4 that knows how to work together as a unit. The defending for the Malouda and Ramires goals was laughable.
 
So now no tactic seems to work.

How do you beat Barca with 10 year old girls?

Tactics just give you an edge. Filling players with insane confidence and belief also gives you an edge. Etc, etc.

We had the correct formation, albeit debatable pressing policy and we could have been 3-1 up when Harry made the change and we imploded.

Adebayor and Van de Vaart appear to be strangers. Neither of them are scoring at all, let alone off each other.

VDV had a header cleared off the line by Terry today which came from a cross from Ade > VDV > Lennon > VDV's header off the line.

VDV hit the post (at least I think it was him) when Ade let the ball run.

They're fine. VDV scored against Swansea, he's not an out and out striker, but that wasn't that long ago. VDV didn't start against Norwich and was playing on the right wing against Sunderland.

Ade didn't play the first half against Norwich.


We got our goal from Ade going around the goalkeeper, if he hadn't been fouled, he would have scored. If Bale hadn't been there, either VDV or Ade would have scored the penalty (probably).

I don't see an issue with them.


Defoe cannot have a future at the club if we are persisting with this tactic. He cannot pay up top on his own, because he's too small. He's our top scorer.

Yeah, that's the biggest shame for me. We can only play him if we're playing against a team that parks the bus and will let us dominate a midfield with just 2 in there, or in other situations like that. (There are plenty of them, but it means against good teams, he wouldn't be in with a shout. VDV can't play 90 minutes every game, all season though.)

4-4-2

We cannot do this one properly at the minute either apparently,

That formation surrenders the midfield to any team with 3 capable players in the midfield. For us as a possession based team, this is not good... We couldn't dominate the midfield against Norwich, so we can't do this. Although against weak teams playing 4-4-2, we might be able to, it just risks a Norwich, even if Parker is in the midfield 2.



We've never played this properly. We've played 4-5-1 with VDV/Lennon and Bale where they'd be in a 4-4-2 and with Modric back with Sandro and Parker way away from the striker.


That formation may be for our long term future. If we did sign Hazard after this season and VDV wasn't available for whatever reason, it's a great opportunity to play 3 players of the same type in a flowing attacking 3 behind a lone striker.

For us at the moment, our 4-4-1-1 is close to that, but it isn't that. When we play Sandro, Parker and Modric, Modric doesn't play behind the striker, he plays alongside Sandro and Parker.

Our 4-4-1-1 plays our best players though, which is why I like it. You can use the same players in a 4-2-3-1 without having to move their positions, but Bale and Lennon both play better back a bit, Bale does well when he runs from distance and Lennon tracks back like crazy. Modric is given a bit more freedom to push forward (which is always good when he does it), so it fits our players better, even if it is a very small difference.

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Today wasn't about tactics IMO, at least initially. Our formations were very similar to each other. Modric is better defensively than Lampard. First half I thought we were the better team overall; they just took their chance whilst we didn't take our two.

I completely agree with that.

It's funny that you mentioned that. It's slightly ironic that their formation suits Modric as a deep playmaker and actually makes Lampard run from a lot deeper, so it doesn't suit him that much, especially as Lampard isn't anywhere near as good defensively as Modric (although his interception where you'd have expected Mata to be was good today).

we were sitting deeper, getting VDV playing deeper so we were more solid defensively, and then looked to break with Bale and Lennon.

Yeah, we didn't press as high as we usually do, whether that part worked was debatable, but Harry seemed to want our wingers running at their fullbacks.
 
Yeah, we didn't press as high as we usually do, whether that part worked was debatable, but Harry seemed to want our wingers running at their fullbacks.

Well, that plan was blown to tiny bits the first time Lennon and Bale switched flanks and started cutting inside. And who told them to do that? 'Arry, of course. Sigh.
 
This may sound strange but Sandro is the key imo. Our midfield isn't good enough with the ball to not have any big physical players in it. Look at Arsenal, Emirates Marketing Project, and Chelsea - Song, Toure, Mikel/Essien all have physical presence in midfield, we don't have that with Parker, VDV, and Modric, all are too small to win headers so if our defense is pressed and start hoofing it we can be easily dominated. Watching Parker and Modric trying to win headers against more physical players was sort of painful. At least if we play without any height at all we should learn how to keep the ball on the ground and get some passing between our CB's and midfielders. Plus you add in Lennon and Defoe, who don't have height, and Adebayor who can't beat most CB's aerially, the we have a real problem there imo.

Don't expect Harry to notice this though imo, he's just say 'it's a simple game...just facking knock it about.' Well no it's not, many strategic factors go into winning a football game.
 
This thread is the place that those who love this kind of chat can indulge their fancy to their heart's content.

Knock yourselves out, fellas!
 
How do you define what is 'tactical', and what isn't, though? Seems rather nebulous to me. Is a suggested line-up tactical? Then every OMT will have to be moved here. Is talking about a specific player's ability to fit into a system we play tactical? In that case, most of the ITK/transfer crap thread will have to be moved here.

Where do you draw the line? Genuinely curious.
 
Guys post your tactics on the official AVB thread. It's much cooler on that side where the discussions are great...come join us this place is dead.
 
Although I don't understand how football tactics discussions about Spurs isn't relevant to threads on a Spurs form I have no problems putting most of the tactical stuff in one thread. No need to sticky it even if popular it will stay on the first page most of the time anyway. Too many stuck threads makes me unhappy.

First bit of interesting discussion about AVB imo is who of our current crop of players will fit his system and who won't...
 
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