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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

We played a fair of the game outside their box yesteday and iirc the possession was 92 - 8 % just prior to their goal

Problem is - we are not incisiveeinough in the final third and appear clueless when we come to the edge of their box. Little movement upfront doesn't help either - as if we run out of ideas as to what to do once we get there. Opposition simply wait for us to lose the ball via a brick pass and counter back,
 
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I think we'd all like to see Ade Lennon and Bale play but aren't two of them injured?

During the first half of games Ade does pressure well but he fades in second halves.

We need Bale to step up for the final games of the season. He wasn't bad today but we all know he can be better.
 
I think the point isn't the personnel, more that we applied no pressure on them from the top at times. We do that and we really do pin them back. It's something that we do really well when we are buzzing at the Lane. People not giving the opposition a split second to settle on the ball.

Urgency from the front. I don't see the sense in allowing the opposition to settle and find some rythym. We need to make it as uncomfortable as possible. Against Chelsea I don't want to see Terry, Cahill or Luiz picking the ball up from deep and coming at us. We close them down quickly, and pressure them into mistakes. It's basics, I know. But it's also clear to the untrained eye that we are no longer applying this pressure.
 
Not sure how relevant this was yesterday; we had 71% possession, so there weren't many opportunities to press them as they hardly had the ball!
 
The most concerning thing to me is the gap thats developed between our back four and midfield, once the midfield has been bypassed via a long-ball or through-ball. Whenever a team comes at us and passes it through our midfield, theres no one for another 10 yards in either direction. The amount of space given up is rediculous. Don't know if its got something to do with Parker not sitting deep enough or our back four not playing a high enough line but something needs to give.
 
VolSpur said:
The most concerning thing to me is the gap thats developed between our back four and midfield, once the midfield has been bypassed via a long-ball or through-ball. Whenever a team comes at us and passes it through our midfield, theres no one for another 10 yards in either direction. The amount of space given up is rediculous. Don't know if its got something to do with Parker not sitting deep enough or our back four not playing a high enough line but something needs to give.
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Yup, noticed this a lot too. I was at the game last night, and I often felt that both Modric and Parker were too advanced at the same time. If one goes forward, the other needs to drop and protect that space in front of the defenders.

Personally I prefer a system in which both CMs generally sit in that protective space rather than venturing forward, but we certainly shouldn't have NEITHER of them doing so!
 
If we have our winning team back comprising of Adebayor, Bale, Parker, Lennon and Van der Vaart, we will finish 3rd.
 
COYS said:
If we have our winning team back comprising of Adebayor, Bale, Parker, Lennon and Van der Vaart, we will finish 3rd.
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To bang my bitterest drum of the season again, we had all those players available when we went to the deathstar, and in his wisdom, the manager chose to leave two of them on the bench...I'm telling you, it was a MONUMENTAL fudge top, and I have yet to hear a single fudging word as to why Lennon did not start that day...furthermore, it's perhaps the only fudging question I'd like Redknapp to answer, as from his answer you could probably figure out what's happened since!!!!!!!!!!

Players to take it back starting this Saturday
 
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If we have our winning team back comprising of Adebayor, Bale, Parker, Lennon and Van der Vaart, we will finish 3rd.
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We quite simply can not depend on having all 6 of our midfield and forward players available to have a functioning style of play.

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Interesting analysis of Barca's pressing from the front. Might be worth emulating some aspects, but would need to be drilled into the players pre-season.

http://www.miostadium.com/opinions/simon-kuper/barcelonas-secret-soccer-success
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Barca are probably the best in the world at it. Would be great to see us try to emulate it, but it hasn't happened so far under Redknapp and I doubt it ever will. Not all managers put focus on that.

I would like us to take some simpler steps though. We look disjointed at the moment, people have mentioned the gap between the defenders and midfielders when opponents punt it long, we also way too often have players pressing on their own, getting bypassed easily and then they're out of the equation leaving the rest of our team exposed. We need to defend as a unit, when we press we must press as a unit, when we drop deep we must do that as a unit.
 
elltrev said:
Yup, noticed this a lot too. I was at the game last night, and I often felt that both Modric and Parker were too advanced at the same time. If one goes forward, the other needs to drop and protect that space in front of the defenders.
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The other advantage of this is that when the attacking players run into a dead end they have an out ball to someone in space who can immediately spread play to another attacking area. Huddlestone was excellent in this respect, often taking up that position.
 
Our collective pressing was so impressive today. Many teams less skilled than Swansea would have struggled badly at the lane today. I really hope we can match this intensity in all remaining games this season.

Harry seemed he learned the importance of pressing high from barca's b side at Wembley a few years back. The world are aware of their pressing techniques but very few do it in the premier league where I feel it would be so effective.

Adebayor was superb in his off the ball running today. As good as I've seen. Parker was a monster. Benny did not give Routeledge a look in. Brilliant stuff. Really happy with that today. Let's not let it drop
 
I wasn't particularly happy with the shape tbh. I felt that Adebayor was having to shuttle far too much in pressing their defenders as well as us having to force Modric, Bale and BAE on to press their shape. I felt it was screaming out for Defoe and Adebayor but at the end of the day we got the result in the end.....all about grabbing a positive result up at Sunderland now.
 
diego_maradona said:
Our collective pressing was so impressive today. Many teams less skilled than Swansea would have struggled badly at the lane today. I really hope we can match this intensity in all remaining games this season.

Harry seemed he learned the importance of pressing high from barca's b side at Wembley a few years back. The world are aware of their pressing techniques but very few do it in the premier league where I feel it would be so effective.

Adebayor was superb in his off the ball running today. As good as I've seen. Parker was a monster. Benny did not give Routeledge a look in. Brilliant stuff. Really happy with that today. Let's not let it drop
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I agree. Harry got the shape and the style of play spot on yesterday. Everton did something similar against them, will be interesting to see if other teams will try similar tactics against Swansea now.

Although I would like to see us press like this in more games I think part of why it worked so well against Swansea is that they don't have a real target man to mix it up with a long ball when put under pressure and their wingers, although quite highly rated, aren't really at a top class level. Imagine if someone gave that kind of space to run into to Lennon or Bale? I think we would have punished them.
 
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I agree. Harry got the shape and the style of play spot on yesterday. Everton did something similar against them, will be interesting to see if other teams will try similar tactics against Swansea now.

Although I would like to see us press like this in more games I think part of why it worked so well against Swansea is that they don't have a real target man to mix it up with a long ball when put under pressure and their wingers, although quite highly rated, aren't really at a top class level. Imagine if someone gave that kind of space to run into to Lennon or Bale? I think we would have punished them.
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Agree. I don't think we will press as aggressively again this season, though I hope we continue to do so to a lesser extent as it does force teams into mistakes. The first post in this thread was very well made. When I first saw it I thought it had been made after yesterday's match not two weeks ago!
 
Fundamentalist Tactic Thread Redux

So now no tactic seems to work.

4-4-1-1

Adebayor and Van de Vaart appear to be strangers. Neither of them are scoring at all, let alone off each other.

Increasingly concerned about both of these guys. Enthusiasm and commitment have apparently waned. They're not the only ones.

Bale's trans pitch odyssey and this switching wings with Lennon tactic is clearly a disruptive waste of time. Harry's dropped a few major rickets recently, indulging Bale's ego based on one performance, is up there.

Defoe cannot have a future at the club if we are persisting with this tactic. He cannot pay up top on his own, because he's too small. He's our top scorer.

4-4-2

We cannot do this one properly at the minute either apparently, due to being overrun when Modric isn't on top of his game (fond but increasingly distant memory now). Parker though, must have silenced his doubters surely?

4-2-3-1

We will probably draw 0-0 playing this formation, at best.

Any suggestions?
 
You can have any tactic, if you dont score easy chances and referees are against you, you're not going to win many games.

Having said that, we were too open, again, modric cant defend, so the question is, if you have sandro and parker, where do you play Modric?
 
charlietheyid said:
You can have any tactic, if you dont score easy chances and referees are against you, you're not going to win many games.

Having said that, we were too open, again, modric cant defend, so the question is, if you have sandro and parker, where do you play Modric?
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Today wasn't about tactics IMO, at least initially. Our formations were very similar to each other. Modric is better defensively than Lampard. First half I thought we were the better team overall; they just took their chance whilst we didn't take our two.

At 2-1 we were still well in it, despite the awful decision. Then we went 4-4-2, which I thought was a mistake; it's not the first time Harry's gambled needlessly early. Saying that, their last three goals were more down to poor defending / goalkeeping more than they were team formation (might be being harsh on Cudicini for Lampard's free-kick, that was a monstous strike, the ****).
 
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