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Antonio Conte - officially NOT the coach of THFC

billyiddo said:
Conte had no problem saying Spence & Danjuma were club signings so i think we can deduce from that the others weren't otherwise we'd have heard about it.
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It's the usual brick, people despite lots of evidence can't accept that everything wasn't the club's fault

1. As you rightly pointed out, any player that wasn't his signing he immediately called out as club signings (Spence, Danjuma), and any pre-Conte signings that were promising got same treatment (Gil, Sarr)
2. Profile, does anyone really fudging believe Perisic (over 30, high wages), Richi (£60M for a bench option), Bissouma (established PL midfielder probably worth £40M-50M, only less due to time on contract) and Porro (£40M+ with significant amount paid up front) are Tottenham/Levy/ENIC type signings?
3. Add Bentancur & Deki, basically Conte got 5 players that were intended first team starters plus one very expensive squad depth in two windows

The fact that he didn't make them/it work doesn't suddenly make them club signings
 
DubSpur said:
Plenty of money was spent getting players that he wanted, personally I think the money was spent in the wrong areas. It was obvious that Lloris was in decline for a couple of years and a keeper was needed.
A proper keeper alone would've improved our season.
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In hindsight (one that none of us had at the end of first season)

- Son/Deki needed resting/rotating when out of form (Richi & Danjuma were available)
- Don't fudging play Son in the middle with his back to goal and orders not to go far post or to shoot
- Keep Doherty (for covering both sides), depend on Royal (which we ended up doing anyway), give Spence a option (defensively could not have been worse than Porro) and spend Porro money on a CB would have been much smarter
- Stop fudging playing Dier/Loris
- Be willing to reinforce the midfield for certain games
- Get the squad players more minutes to be able to play a part when called on (use the fudging squad, don't be a fudging drama queen because you didn't personally select them)

Conte simply didn't show anything special in his 2nd season, and I'm very aware he had personal stuff that is completely understandable but his results and actions were really bad.
 
Raziel said:
In hindsight (one that none of us had at the end of first season)

- Son/Deki needed resting/rotating when out of form (Richi & Danjuma were available)
- Don't fudging play Son in the middle with his back to goal and orders not to go far post or to shoot
- Keep Doherty (for covering both sides), depend on Royal (which we ended up doing anyway), give Spence a option (defensively could not have been worse than Porro) and spend Porro money on a CB would have been much smarter
- Stop fudging playing Dier/Loris
- Be willing to reinforce the midfield for certain games
- Get the squad players more minutes to be able to play a part when called on (use the fudging squad, don't be a fudging drama queen because you didn't personally select them)

Conte simply didn't show anything special in his 2nd season, and I'm very aware he had personal stuff that is completely understandable but his results and actions were really bad.
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Spot on

Great manager, won loads of medals, but he was self destructive and terrible this season. I wish him all the best moving on and thank him for his time last season. But the lines drawn under it now for me
 
Grays_1890 said:
What so Donna Cullen wasn't spinning some PR leaks to the press that he walked away? Truth generally outs on this stuff, might take some time but the one thing you can guarantee with managers and players is that they will generally want to talk about it
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Never saw why anyone thought he had been sacked ( well i can for those who blame Levy for everything), it was obvious that he walked out.
 
Lilbaz said:
Lol. Levy gets accused on here of sacking managers that don't get cl. Now he's the one that is settling for less than 4th?
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I don't think 4th was the height of Conte's ambitions, is all. He never settled for that in the past, not sure why the habit of a lifetime would change at Spurs. He wanted to win things here, for his own ego/rep as much as anything else.

Do I think Levy failed him in building a squad capable of that? Abso-fudging-lutely. Not that Conte himself isn't at fault for how it ended, but a Champo kid in Spence and a Barca reject on loan in Lenglet in our two biggest problem areas were ominous signs to begin with, I think.

Porro came in too late, which hurt him and us too. Imagine if he was here in the summer instead of Spence - would have cost, what, 25m more? But it would have been a sea change to the way we approached games, not having to rely on Emerson, and the whole mood around the club would have been different heading into the season.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I don't think 4th was the height of Conte's ambitions, is all. He never settled for that in the past, not sure why the habit of a lifetime would change at Spurs. He wanted to win things here, for his own ego/rep as much as anything else.

Do I think Levy failed him in building a squad capable of that? Abso-fudging-lutely. Not that Conte himself isn't at fault for how it ended, but a Champo kid in Spence and a Barca reject on loan in Lenglet in our two biggest problem areas were ominous signs to begin with, I think.
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He had a budget, why did him and Paratici prioritise other positions than CB and RB? Goalkeeper was a bigger problem area and nothing was done there either.
 
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DubSpur said:
He had a budget, why did him and Paratici prioritise other positions than CB and RB? Goalkeeper was a bigger problem area and nothing was done there either.
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GK wasn't really a problem area heading into the season, it only looks that way now because of what happened with Lloris' falloff.

I recall seeing a graph somewhere that shows Lloris' save percentage/saves per game stat, and it was at its highest in 20/21 with a mild dropoff in 21/22. It was then a *very* steep decline into the red in 22/23 - not sure how anyone could have predicted that.

As for the budget, I'm guessing he and Paratici didn't have total control over spending if, or they might have done. It makes no sense that we spent 15-20m on a trash Champo right back Conte didn't want, and then loaned Porro in just six months later, who, for all his flaws, was one of the best attacking RWBs on the market both in the summer and in Jan.
 
billyiddo said:
It seemed pretty obvious to me what went on, nice to have it confirmed though
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So you believe that Conte walked out on us, and left us hanging without a manger and in breach of his contract!? It is patently not what occurred. Just fits your pre-judged narrative.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I don't think 4th was the height of Conte's ambitions, is all. He never settled for that in the past, not sure why the habit of a lifetime would change at Spurs. He wanted to win things here, for his own ego/rep as much as anything else.

Do I think Levy failed him in building a squad capable of that? Abso-fudging-lutely. Not that Conte himself isn't at fault for how it ended, but a Champo kid in Spence and a Barca reject on loan in Lenglet in our two biggest problem areas were ominous signs to begin with, I think.

Porro came in too late, which hurt him and us too. Imagine if he was here in the summer instead of Spence - would have cost, what, 25m more? But it would have been a sea change to the way we approached games, not having to rely on Emerson, and the whole mood around the club would have been different heading into the season.
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contes ambition was the title
Why not. He has won oh before
But…
He fell into type and his squad mismanagement along with a lack of variety in play hurt him
Add in the incompetence of hugo which again could have been address by dropping him and he would have picked up more points
for all his pluses his arrogance is his ignorance
 
SpurMeUp said:
So you believe that Conte walked out on us, and left us hanging without a manger and in breach of his contract!? It is patently not what occurred. Just fits your pre-judged narrative.
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I believe what he said is what happened, he decided to leave.

I know you made a big big thing about us sacking him but it's a bit silly to double down at this stage bud. Don't be one of those guys.
 
DubaiSpur said:
GK wasn't really a problem area heading into the season, it only looks that way now because of what happened with Lloris' falloff.

I recall seeing a graph somewhere that shows Lloris' save percentage/saves per game stat, and it was at its highest in 20/21 with a mild dropoff in 21/22. It was then a *very* steep decline into the red in 22/23 - not sure how anyone could have predicted that.

As for the budget, I'm guessing he and Paratici didn't have total control over spending if, or they might have done. It makes no sense that we spent 15-20m on a trash Champo right back Conte didn't want, and then loaned Porro in just six months later, who, for all his flaws, was one of the best attacking RWBs on the market both in the summer and in Jan.
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Goalkeeper was a prob heading into the season. Lloris' poor distribution, being stuck to his line, and regular mistakes creeping into his game before last season made it a prob.

You're guessing? The players bought were players wanted by Conte bar one or two minor signings. A trash Champo RB for 15-20m? I take it you mean Spence. How do you know if he's trash if he never gets a chance?
The other signings were for a lot more than Spence and the money could've been used better (as could the money spent on Spence).
 
billyiddo said:
I believe what he said is what happened, he decided to leave.

I know you made a big big thing about us sacking him but it's a bit silly to double down at this stage bud. Don't be one of those guys.
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Yeh I think the response should be to the rhetoric that we sacked him rather than the other way. When the story broke it was suggested that the Spurs PR had put out he had not come back from Italy and was not sacked, everyone called it a lie. Its much more likely the lie was the other way round TBH. Not that it really matters he went and thats it, but people could be a little more balanced in the way they absorb the news and then use it, zero consistence

Report he was sacked - def sacked

Photo, report and direct quote that he left of his own doing - no def still sacked
 
billyiddo said:
I believe what he said is what happened, he decided to leave.

I know you made a big big thing about us sacking him but it's a bit silly to double down at this stage bud. Don't be one of those guys.
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Haha. On the wind up eh!

So according to you, Conte broke his contract and refused to work. But that is not what occurred. The club released a statement saying it was 'mutually agreed', which is far more likely than Conte having just left us in the lurch. The silliness is you trying to make out Conte walked out and broke his contract, which is what you believed from the time I guess.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Haha. On the wind up eh!

So according to you, Conte broke his contract and refused to work. But that is not what occurred. The club released a statement saying it was 'mutually agreed', which is far more likely than Conte having just left us in the lurch. The silliness is you trying to make out Conte walked out and broke his contract, which is what you believed from the time I guess.
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It's both.
Conte was keen to leave the job, but not keen to leave his salary behind.

So he started to kick off a bit and whine and all parties agreed he should be paid XYZ and should bugger off.

It's on you if you want to call that a sacking or walking away or mutual agreement.
 
Bullet said:
It's both.
Conte was keen to leave the job, but not keen to leave his salary behind.

So he started to kick off a bit and whine and all parties agreed he should be paid XYZ and should bugger off.

It's on you if you want to call that a sacking or walking away or mutual agreement.
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I doubt we paid him off
He said im not coming back now
The club said please
He said nah
The club said right you can go
You have had a mare personally so go now and we crack on
He will have lost about 1.5M after tax in earnings but he isn’t exactly poor is he …
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I doubt we paid him off
He said im not coming back now
The club said please
He said nah
The club said right you can go
You have had a mare personally so go now and we crack on
He will have lost about 1.5M after tax in earnings but he isn’t exactly poor is he …
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Also mutual consent is just a term like undisclosed fee, it doesn't really mean anything definitive but the devil will always be in the detail behind closed doors. In this case someone would have had to instigate him leaving, you don't just both pick up the phone at the same time and say "mutual consent" and in this case he has admitted he called the shot, he decided it was game over.
 
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