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Antonio Conte - officially NOT the coach of THFC
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braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Sometimes I wish I could like posts twice. Then you come around and quote them, kind of gives me the chance.
Of course we would need to spend enough to get the players Conte and Paratici really want, but signing a more expensive player isn't always the right move.
Players that fit the system like a glove, that's what we need - as long as they're also good enough of course.
Can't remember trusting transfer decisions more than with Conte and Paratici making the decisions.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
That and the athletic article confirm something that I've thought for a while, we don't have bad players, but they lacked focus, determination, belief and a proper leader with a system.
We as a club have not all been pulling in the same direction for quite a while, not really surprising with the stadium build and the turmoil of the pandemic, but hopefully conte is the unifying force that gets us back on course.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
If you put us on a list of big clubs, and put Conte on a list of the best managers.
We've done very well getting him thru the door.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
It's all about the coach. The stadium build and the restrictions that brought should have been detrimental. We were the best we have been for 35 years.
The problem is there are literally very few great managers/coaches.
What you've said is true but there were some bad players (bad attitude/application at least). Conte has got rid of them and brought in players with the right attitude and mentality.
Another 2-3 similar players in key positions will hopefully see us push on further.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I agree up to a point. But we've made significant changes to the squad as well.
This season we've seen Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski make themselves automatic starters as new signings. Skipp played very regularly back from loan and ready for the first team. And Conte still reportedly wants a handful of new signings.
Remove those new (and back from loan) players, have Conte try to instill focus, determination and belief and I'm not sure it would have been a happy outcome.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Dele and glc i think were to far down the road of bad habits, lamela to injury prone and well Ndombele was just a waste so nothing conte or anyone could do.
But are we any worse than title winning or fa cup winnwrs Leicester, three times f a cup winners arsenal?
Sevilla won how many ELs?
Are those squads any worse than ours, only place I've ever believed that to be true was in our heads.
Conte finally seems like the man to change that.
He won't see top four as success, that is only the beginning as far as he is concerned, woe betide anyone who settles for less.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Attitude and application make up for a lot, some of ours just don't /didn't have it.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
Since Conte joined Spurs, I think the top two scorers in the Premier League are Son and Kane.
I love this comment above - you're spot on. Good managers get more out of players than ordinary ones - we've had three in the past 10 years or so - Redknapp, Poch and Conte. All got the players out performing their perceived level. Poch got rid of Kaboul etc when he came in, Harry well and truly benched the likes of Bentley and Bent, who were not to his standards off the pitch, and Conte got rid of arguably the hardest ones - Alli, Lo Celso and Ndombele - Alli especially with his tie to the fans.
Bottom line is a well marshalled team with good clear instruction at the level of professional footballer should be able to step up to a higher level of performance if shown how. We've done that in spades. The only other club who turned around so markedly this season is Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Good point and i do agree, i have said on here many times that we (certain players) lack/ed a winnng mentality ( and several folks disagreed that is a vital part of a winning team). Well the proof is in the pudding Conte has managed to get inside the heads of the players and we now seem to be on the way to having that mentality.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
I do think we get stuck in narratives that play well to the crowd though. Fans love to hear that "Conte came in and he told Dele, Ndombele and GLC what's what and got rid of them and that's why we are where we are".
That's only half the story. He got Davies playing a new role brilliantly. He got Sessegnon finally looking like a player. He turned the much derided Doherty into an integral part of the team. He got Sanchez and Royal both bought into what he was doing even though they weren't regulars. I'd have happily seen Sanchez out the door a long time ago but he was great in the last three games and early on under Conte scored a crucial winner at Watford. Even Winks played a role in the early games - he was excellent in 2-3 games albeit poor in others.
His man management has been excellent from what I can see in terms of getting rid of what he didn't want, re-energising others and bedding in Kulusevski and Bentancur. I have a lot of faith in Conte but the next 12 months will be interesting. He fell out with a lot of players at Chelsea because he's so single minded. Wonder if the same will happen here?
That's only half the story. He got Davies playing a new role brilliantly. He got Sessegnon finally looking like a player. He turned the much derided Doherty into an integral part of the team. He got Sanchez and Royal both bought into what he was doing even though they weren't regulars. I'd have happily seen Sanchez out the door a long time ago but he was great in the last three games and early on under Conte scored a crucial winner at Watford. Even Winks played a role in the early games - he was excellent in 2-3 games albeit poor in others.
His man management has been excellent from what I can see in terms of getting rid of what he didn't want, re-energising others and bedding in Kulusevski and Bentancur. I have a lot of faith in Conte but the next 12 months will be interesting. He fell out with a lot of players at Chelsea because he's so single minded. Wonder if the same will happen here?
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
His delight at sonny's goals is great.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
I've often thought it goes deeper than just players, it's in the club.
That's what I think poch and jose came up against.
Jan, lamela and rose for me were players that got it and under conte would have been undropable. A combination of the talent, hunger, tactical discipline and that we will never be beaten attitude.
But then we also had guys like Dembele, talent oozing out of him but not the drive to make the best of it.
Or winks and mason, the only difference between them and Henderson is belief in themselves, willingness to put everything on the line to win.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
He's operating from a different starting position and with a different player mindset to that at Chelsea though.
Conte really did arrive from a position of strength, as the 'expert' who will show players what to do to reach success they have not reached before, to carry Spurs to a place they've not been before. Hence the disbelief and sniping about how it won't last when Levy got him in.
At Chelsea, they were used a to a procession of big name managers and to winning things already.
Our guys haven't really won anything, certainly not at our club, and have seen Conte lift us quickly from an apparent death spiral.
That earns him even more credence when he keeps telling them to do things his way if they want to be winners.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Absolutely this. We could potentially be his perfect club where he can wield as much control on football matters as he has ever had.
There is always that bagging doubt that there is a high cost, high turnover that cannot be sustained but we have tried lots of other approaches and it's only fitting that IF we are truly ambitious to shake us our Spurzy/bottler tags then we try this way.
ANTONIOOO, ANTONIOOOO
ANTONIO, ANTONIO,
ANTONIOOOOOO...
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Worse than them in terms of individual quality, probably not.
Worse then them, again if removing those four players that are new (or back from loan) this season in terms of fitting together into a cohesive tactical system most definitely. Bentancur, Skipp, Kulusevski and Romero have been really good, in part as individuals, but also in part because they fit into the system really well.
Without them we wouldn't have options to make the squad into a functional team to the same degree. And the mentality would be really difficult to instill.
You need good enough players, that fit into a cohesive system well enough to really start building the mentality that we've also lacked.