Legohamster
Tom Huddlestone
Sorry. That is a nonsense argument and nothing to do with us defending
The stats do not lie
We can't defend well, consistently and at PL level
126 GA in 2 seasons in the league.
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Ange in or out?
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The stats do not lie
We can't defend well, consistently and at PL level
126 GA in 2 seasons in the league.
Bedfordspurs
Joe Kinnear
The records also show we have a trophy
That rare beast
The silver thing the players are carrying
Personally I don’t give a toss how many we conceded if we still won trophies
65? Never realised it was that bad
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
So, I said at the start that we had appointed an average journeyman. When we were flying high, I said that we had appointed an average journeyman. When we were terrible and people were laying into him, I kept saying that he was not as bad as the results showed, that he had been dealt a bad hand.
No surprise that I still believe that.
He isn't as bad as 17th in the league, and gave us the best evening of our footballing lives in Bilbao. At the same time, he's been overawed by the Premier League and his system has too much reliance on individual quality to succeed.
The question is if we're going to stick to this guy for another season - and right now, I say yes.
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect miracles from keeping him. I fully expect a mid-table-ish finish next year. But there's a few logical reasons for keeping him on -
1) We will not, 100%, be as bad next year as we were this year. Lightning will not strike twice, positively or negatively.
2) This is a very young team that has bonded with him. Having someone they trust guiding them for a year will have long-term payoffs.
3) 2026 is when a lot of better managers likely become available, from de Zerbi (apparently a Paratici favorite) all the way to Poch - the one man who I think could recreate the emotional connection Postecoglou now has with the fans.
That's the logic side. Talking from the heart....football is about the memories that nights like Bilbao create. Those magical moments that live on forever, through storm and snow, weaving in and out of your mind on rainy days and spinning golden threads in the dreams of those that you pass the love of this club down to.
10, 50, 100 years from now - there will be a statue outside the Lane, a photo on the wall, and a moment that never dies, kept alive in the songs of Spurs fans forevermore.
That should mean something. We should be encouraging managers to try for moments like that, and we won't do it if we sack the man who did it.
No surprise that I still believe that.
He isn't as bad as 17th in the league, and gave us the best evening of our footballing lives in Bilbao. At the same time, he's been overawed by the Premier League and his system has too much reliance on individual quality to succeed.
The question is if we're going to stick to this guy for another season - and right now, I say yes.
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect miracles from keeping him. I fully expect a mid-table-ish finish next year. But there's a few logical reasons for keeping him on -
1) We will not, 100%, be as bad next year as we were this year. Lightning will not strike twice, positively or negatively.
2) This is a very young team that has bonded with him. Having someone they trust guiding them for a year will have long-term payoffs.
3) 2026 is when a lot of better managers likely become available, from de Zerbi (apparently a Paratici favorite) all the way to Poch - the one man who I think could recreate the emotional connection Postecoglou now has with the fans.
That's the logic side. Talking from the heart....football is about the memories that nights like Bilbao create. Those magical moments that live on forever, through storm and snow, weaving in and out of your mind on rainy days and spinning golden threads in the dreams of those that you pass the love of this club down to.
10, 50, 100 years from now - there will be a statue outside the Lane, a photo on the wall, and a moment that never dies, kept alive in the songs of Spurs fans forevermore.
That should mean something. We should be encouraging managers to try for moments like that, and we won't do it if we sack the man who did it.
paxtonwolf
Taffy O'Callaghan
Agree to part ways amicably. A pay-off for winning a trophy and achieving a place in the CL
Get Poch on the phone and ask him if he fancies coming home
Get Poch on the phone and ask him if he fancies coming home
Mikey10
Chris Perry
I think Poch is a pipe-dream until the WC has taken place.
Trump would declare him an enemy of state and place 10000% tarrifs on him.
elyid
Mauricio Taricco
10000% tariffs on lemons…
We are not the same team as Poch had, and it failed to achieve what Ange has.
Lloris>Vicario
Walker > Porro
Alderweireld = Romero
Vertonghen > Van Der Ven
Rose > Udogie
Dembele > Bentancur
Dele > Maddison
Dier < Kulusevski
Eriksen > Johnson
Kane > Solanki
Son > Son *
*Sonny has fallen away a bit now from his peak.
Theres a lot of circumstances around all of this but Poch had a far better team and better depth as well, but didn't achieve what Ange has.
I love Poch and want him to come back and finish what he started in a couple of years, but not now, there's been nothing in PSG or Chelsea's play to suggest he's any better than when he left really.
How often was pochs team in the europa league with nothing else to play for (for months) and no cl drop outs?
Poch's team and redknapps would have walked it.
Celebrate winning a trophy by all means but lets not pretend we are suddenly a great team because of the manager.
If we keep ange, next season will be horrific. I don't want to go through that.
kb 1984
Stephen Kelly
Poch had 5 years & won fudge all. He bought us all together & I love the guy but he isn't the answer
Tbf Poch is a great man manager who has a consistent record of improving players. We have a load of young promising players who I think would thrive under him, including some of the ones mentioned above.
What he perhaps is saying in his comparison with Brexit and Trump. Is that advocates of either refused to see the facts that were quite obviously staring them in face. Just as advocates of giving Ange another year are refusing to see that we were extremely lucky this season that there was 3 absolutely terrible teams below us.
otherwise we would have been relegated. We lost 22 league games which I heard (not sure if true) is the most prem games ever by a team not relegated.
I’m really surprised how some have so easily allowed Ange a pass on basis of winning the Europa.
Great night , brilliant. Well done Ange.
Let’s not pretend that it was a ruthlessly tough competition .
We parked the bus against championship opposition and the worse United side in two decades. This does not make Ange some footballing genius.
We are muck in the league. A shambles at times. It’s not going to improve he’s shown his level.
Look i enjoyed Wednesday night and all that goes with it but to pretend all of a sudden we are going to turn into a decent side under him is fanciful thinking.
Out. Bye. I appreciate the pot but 21 losses in the league is a joke.
Great night , brilliant. Well done Ange.
Let’s not pretend that it was a ruthlessly tough competition .
We parked the bus against championship opposition and the worse United side in two decades. This does not make Ange some footballing genius.
We are muck in the league. A shambles at times. It’s not going to improve he’s shown his level.
Look i enjoyed Wednesday night and all that goes with it but to pretend all of a sudden we are going to turn into a decent side under him is fanciful thinking.
Out. Bye. I appreciate the pot but 21 losses in the league is a joke.
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Robspur12
Jimmy Neighbour
I need a break from Tottenham Hotspur. Still the club who can take you from elation to near despair in just a few games. I’m just going to savour the fact we have won a European Trophy, hope Chelsea don’t win one and enjoy the Champions League final. Then reset for the new season…..take care @Grays_1890 hope all goes well. I love you stupid lot more than you can know.
I will always love ange for this cup win, but I still want to change managers.
In the league we can't string two passes together, we seem to be out-managered in every game. And in the cup we just won we played pretty damn bad all throughout, but we did grind out a win in the end. But I can't help but think that if we met Lazio in the semi's we wouldn't have reached the final.
I know we can't read much from todays game, but look at the brighton players when they are pressed. They seem to always find a player, but throughout the season whenever we try something similar we lose the ball within 5 seconds and we are back to defending. We are not properly coached and that is on Ange and his team.
If he stays, we will be in the bottom 5 by November and he will be sacked and another season is lost.
Sort it out now, get someone in (not the Ajax guy) who can actually manage a football game at Premier League standards
In the league we can't string two passes together, we seem to be out-managered in every game. And in the cup we just won we played pretty damn bad all throughout, but we did grind out a win in the end. But I can't help but think that if we met Lazio in the semi's we wouldn't have reached the final.
I know we can't read much from todays game, but look at the brighton players when they are pressed. They seem to always find a player, but throughout the season whenever we try something similar we lose the ball within 5 seconds and we are back to defending. We are not properly coached and that is on Ange and his team.
If he stays, we will be in the bottom 5 by November and he will be sacked and another season is lost.
Sort it out now, get someone in (not the Ajax guy) who can actually manage a football game at Premier League standards
Daisuk
Andy Thompson
I find your post extremely cynical in light of our most glorious win for over 40 years, yet, I find myself agreeing to (most) of it. You just dared saying it. I think I would have dressed it up and candyflossed it to soften the blows, but your take is direct and to the point.
I'm extremely grateful for that cup win, I'm still basking in it, buzzing even, feeling proud, and probably will for a long time - hell, we'll be looking back to it for years - but I just cannot see how our bread and butter (the league) will improve by keeping Ange in charge. And as dull as it might sound, especially in the light of last Wednesday, I would personally prefer us to be better on a week to week basis, rather than be brick over 90% of a season and win silverware at the end of it. I've said so all along, for the record, especially when the whole "you haven't won a trophy for years"-thing was on.
I realize some people might find that baffling. That this is the time to support the gaffer and let him build on this and see where it takes us. I can certainly see that argument, and I think it's the position the club will ultimately take. Why sack a coach after winning our first piece of silverware in 17 years? Why sack a coach that seems so revered by the players? I think it will look too bad for the club for them to do so - what kind of signal would it send it we weren't to back him after he achieved something like he did?
I think we have seen too little in terms of cohesiveness, stability and adaptability over the two years he has now been in charge for us to gamble on a third season with him. So our players are excused for being hungover today, but looking at the game today, we're simply all over the place, as we have seen countless times this season - whilst Brighton looked like a well drilled, tactically astute team, with intent both in attack and in defense. Can all of our injuries really explain why we've looked so lackluster for most of our season? A lot of times over the 2 year tenure we've had say 2 good games, then two awful ones and so on. There's no stability in sight, we just flounder from game to game. We've seen some adaptability from Ange in the EL games, which basically won us the cup - so why have we not done it more in the league? I just don't think we've seen enough of Ange in this department over the course of two years.
I don't think we will sack him now, and I understand if we don't. It wouldn't be a good look. I do fear, however, that we will be back come November wanting to sack him again, and then not having anyone to replace him with, essentially ruining an entire season. But that's just my negative nancy tuning in.
If he stays, let's hope he gets a few key players in and manages to tune his style into a more Premier League-friendly one. However it turns out, Ange will always be a legend in my book for winning that cup - but for me anyway, this would be a good opportunity to part ways gracefully and on very good terms.
I will be the first to admit I do not transfer what’s in my head to the written word very well it’s not a strong suit in my world. Plenty on here who can write some very well constructed posts. That’s not me sadly.
Yes it’s blunt. I love Spurs and Wednesday was great ,amazing to win a cup and the parade etc brilliant. If I’m honest I was far more emotional after the Ajax game. Weird I know. That night moved me so much more as a fan.
Reality is my love for the game comes before Spurs. I love football first Spurs second.
The football is utter muck under Ange. There’s nothing to it. No shape no decent patterns our defending is shambolic at times.
The trend is towards relegation. That’s not just this season the reality set in midway through last season. Even during that fabled first 10 games there were signs it was unsustainable. We were not even that good then . We were thirsty for some attacking football and willingly over looked the frailty of coughing up chances constantly.
Ange might be a good bloke. Some of the critics have been nasty and personal , myself included at times. That is and was wrong. He’ll have my respect for breaking the trophy drought.
That said and done he needs to go. Watching the football in the Europa you can see it’s miles away from the level of the prem or later stages of the champions league. That’s not being miserable as some are calling people that’s just the reality of it.
That does not diminish the achievement and you can only beat what’s put infront of you but it highlights to me he’s not a top level manager.
So people can make all the excuses to keep him they like and good for you. The beauty of the game is we don’t all see it the same way.
Rambling mess of a post over , good night.
HarryBreadbap
Kevin Dearden
Glenda's Legs
Ian Walker
The "Ange Postecoglou" chants felt very muted. The support for him has definitely diminsihed.