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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 80 42.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 109 57.7%
  • Total voters
    189
So, I said at the start that we had appointed an average journeyman. When we were flying high, I said that we had appointed an average journeyman. When we were terrible and people were laying into him, I kept saying that he was not as bad as the results showed, that he had been dealt a bad hand.

No surprise that I still believe that.

He isn't as bad as 17th in the league, and gave us the best evening of our footballing lives in Bilbao. At the same time, he's been overawed by the Premier League and his system has too much reliance on individual quality to succeed.

The question is if we're going to stick to this guy for another season - and right now, I say yes.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect miracles from keeping him. I fully expect a mid-table-ish finish next year. But there's a few logical reasons for keeping him on -

1) We will not, 100%, be as bad next year as we were this year. Lightning will not strike twice, positively or negatively.
2) This is a very young team that has bonded with him. Having someone they trust guiding them for a year will have long-term payoffs.
3) 2026 is when a lot of better managers likely become available, from de Zerbi (apparently a Paratici favorite) all the way to Poch - the one man who I think could recreate the emotional connection Postecoglou now has with the fans.

That's the logic side. Talking from the heart....football is about the memories that nights like Bilbao create. Those magical moments that live on forever, through storm and snow, weaving in and out of your mind on rainy days and spinning golden threads in the dreams of those that you pass the love of this club down to.

10, 50, 100 years from now - there will be a statue outside the Lane, a photo on the wall, and a moment that never dies, kept alive in the songs of Spurs fans forevermore.

That should mean something. We should be encouraging managers to try for moments like that, and we won't do it if we sack the man who did it.
 
paxtonwolf said:
Agree to part ways amicably. A pay-off for winning a trophy and achieving a place in the CL

Get Poch on the phone and ask him if he fancies coming home
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We are not the same team as Poch had, and it failed to achieve what Ange has.

Lloris>Vicario
Walker > Porro
Alderweireld = Romero
Vertonghen > Van Der Ven
Rose > Udogie
Dembele > Bentancur
Dele > Maddison
Dier < Kulusevski
Eriksen > Johnson
Kane > Solanki
Son > Son *

*Sonny has fallen away a bit now from his peak.

Theres a lot of circumstances around all of this but Poch had a far better team and better depth as well, but didn't achieve what Ange has.

I love Poch and want him to come back and finish what he started in a couple of years, but not now, there's been nothing in PSG or Chelsea's play to suggest he's any better than when he left really.
 
Surfless said:
We are not the same team as Poch had, and it failed to achieve what Ange has.

Lloris>Vicario
Walker > Porro
Alderweireld = Romero
Vertonghen > Van Der Ven
Rose > Udogie
Dembele > Bentancur
Dele > Maddison
Dier < Kulusevski
Eriksen > Johnson
Kane > Solanki
Son > Son *

*Sonny has fallen away a bit now from his peak.

Theres a lot of circumstances around all of this but Poch had a far better team and better depth as well, but didn't achieve what Ange has.

I love Poch and want him to come back and finish what he started in a couple of years, but not now, there's been nothing in PSG or Chelsea's play to suggest he's any better than when he left really.
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How often was pochs team in the europa league with nothing else to play for (for months) and no cl drop outs?
Poch's team and redknapps would have walked it.
Celebrate winning a trophy by all means but lets not pretend we are suddenly a great team because of the manager.
If we keep ange, next season will be horrific. I don't want to go through that.
 
Surfless said:
We are not the same team as Poch had, and it failed to achieve what Ange has.

Lloris>Vicario
Walker > Porro
Alderweireld = Romero
Vertonghen > Van Der Ven
Rose > Udogie
Dembele > Bentancur
Dele > Maddison
Dier < Kulusevski
Eriksen > Johnson
Kane > Solanki
Son > Son *

*Sonny has fallen away a bit now from his peak.

Theres a lot of circumstances around all of this but Poch had a far better team and better depth as well, but didn't achieve what Ange has.

I love Poch and want him to come back and finish what he started in a couple of years, but not now, there's been nothing in PSG or Chelsea's play to suggest he's any better than when he left really.
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Tbf Poch is a great man manager who has a consistent record of improving players. We have a load of young promising players who I think would thrive under him, including some of the ones mentioned above.
 
thfcsteff said:
I find it incomprehensible that apparently some of our supporters are suffering from an inability to apply context to various situations...

...on another note, and I am sure you did not intend it this way, but bringing up 'the attraction of Brexit/Trump' in some sort of 'comparison' with supporting Postecoglu getting another shot is really, really poor form - in fact, borderline insulting. Again, I suspect you did not see it as coming across that way when writing it??? Here's hoping, because if you did, well, it'll require some discussion amigo!
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What he perhaps is saying in his comparison with Brexit and Trump. Is that advocates of either refused to see the facts that were quite obviously staring them in face. Just as advocates of giving Ange another year are refusing to see that we were extremely lucky this season that there was 3 absolutely terrible teams below us.

otherwise we would have been relegated. We lost 22 league games which I heard (not sure if true) is the most prem games ever by a team not relegated.
 
I’m really surprised how some have so easily allowed Ange a pass on basis of winning the Europa.

Great night , brilliant. Well done Ange.

Let’s not pretend that it was a ruthlessly tough competition .

We parked the bus against championship opposition and the worse United side in two decades. This does not make Ange some footballing genius.

We are muck in the league. A shambles at times. It’s not going to improve he’s shown his level.

Look i enjoyed Wednesday night and all that goes with it but to pretend all of a sudden we are going to turn into a decent side under him is fanciful thinking.

Out. Bye. I appreciate the pot but 21 losses in the league is a joke.
 
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I need a break from Tottenham Hotspur. Still the club who can take you from elation to near despair in just a few games. I’m just going to savour the fact we have won a European Trophy, hope Chelsea don’t win one and enjoy the Champions League final. Then reset for the new season…..take care @Grays_1890 hope all goes well. I love you stupid lot more than you can know.
 
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