tommysvr
Michael Carrick
Ok. Ange finished 5th and then won the Europa League, delivering on your expectations of European football in both seasons. Glad to know you want him to stay too.
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Ange in or out?
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Ok. Ange finished 5th and then won the Europa League, delivering on your expectations of European football in both seasons. Glad to know you want him to stay too.
RigorMortis
Ben Thatcher
But it’s not convince you. Outside of the Europa League, Ange’s tenure has been a disaster. Yes tou can add caveats, you can also add caveats against the Europa league win ( not that it diminishes the achievement).
It all comes down to, do you think Ange is the person who can move us forward and in all likelihood the answer is probably No. A trophy means everything for the fans unfortunately a cup completion when held against a league record which is incredibly poor means a tough decision needs to be made and if it’s Ange losing his job, I can see why.
My personal opinion is that if he stays the summer, he needs to be given the whole of next season, unless we really do plateau.
metalgear
Colin Calderwood
looking at the past is good but anticipating the future is where I am at.
we're different in that way I guess.
if our form in the europa league is so good then why can't we replicated it in the premier league?
you wish for ange to stay may come true - levy or venkat might take the risk, afterall there's a massive upsurge in fan goodwill right now.
but once ange starts to lose a string of games or suffer injuries to key players - its going to be painful watching him slowly wilt with little chance to win anything as we are not eligible for Europa League anymore.
to win the FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League and to get Top 5 EPL placings - you need to beat a lot of the top half EPL teams, and I don't see it happening with Ange and his assistant coaches.
Daisuk
Andy Thompson
I think most of us want us to play good entertaining football - and if we manage to do that, the results, and trophies, will follow.
But as you say, I think it will be difficult for the club to justify sacking the man who has brought us the most prominent piece of silverware for 41 years. I'm in two minds about it. I think he deserves another season, but dread the prospect of another year with the football we have served up this season. I want to feel excited about watching us play, not feel like our matches are something to endure.
Mrs Vert
Teemu Tainio
If he
If he brings in 1 quality player who is already established i will be amazed!!
Mrs Vert
Teemu Tainio
I do not think it's wrong for people to be concerned next season considering how we have played overall. We can still be happy about cup win and worry.
If you think next season will have some massive improvement. Fine. I don't. I didn't think he would cup. I was wrong.
Next season is gonna play out how it plays out. Ramos got sacked. 2 from 8. Hope Ange proves me wrong again.
Other teams have won cups and not relied on 3 other teams to be worse. That's my definition
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
I believe this has only happened once in the history of British football, when the sovereign state in Manchester did all four. I agree. I don't see it happening next season with Ange and his assistants either.
Gazza
Pedro Mendes
If we keep him it will be like Man U keeping ETH after winning the FA cup.
It will be another season in transition. I think we thank the man for delivering a trophy, shake his hand, give him the money and say bye. Then he can walk off proud and let spies carry on doing what spurs do.
It will be another season in transition. I think we thank the man for delivering a trophy, shake his hand, give him the money and say bye. Then he can walk off proud and let spies carry on doing what spurs do.
Yes, we won the Cup this season. We also finished 17th this season. All fans are delighted we won the Cup. All fans (I would hope) are disappointed we finished 17th.
Winning the Cup means we can live with or even forget that we finished 17th this season. Which is great.
They key here is that this season is now done and we have to look to next season and beyond, and the only question is do we think Ange is the right man to lead us forward. That is the cold, hard reality of it.
It appears that some do and some don't. Neither of those opinions is pathetic or embarrassing.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
A lot of strong opinions both ways on this one it seems.
To me it seems like a close and difficult decision. But I'm Ange in. One factor in that for me is what having a win like this behind him can do for him here going forward.
To me it seems like a close and difficult decision. But I'm Ange in. One factor in that for me is what having a win like this behind him can do for him here going forward.
thfcsteff
Tony Galvin
Exactly!!!
The buy-in alone is immense...I still have a queasy feeling though that we will do something uneasy as a club about this...that's MY THFC PTSD kicking in!!!!
And why do you think that is Steff?
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
I agree the buy in could be really important. And I want him to stay. But I do also think that both keeping him and letting him go can be understood as rational decisions.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
To further this thought, why on earth would you stick with him after the League Cup semi, after Everton, after Leicester and all of the other defeats, giving him a chance to win the Europa League…only to go and fire him after he actually does it?
Why would you do it knowing how much the squad loves him? After seeing player after player show and speak of their affection for him?
It would be absolutely fudging macaronic from Levy.
ricky2tricky4city
Luka Modric
I agree, it is a close call.
I assume the powers that be will need a little time to navigate the process.
One has to think 'groundwork' would have been done behind the scenes if we had lost (I'm sure it would have been goodbye if we had). But that groundwork could still leave us with options?.
Ange ticks many boxes. His outlook, his ability to motivate, his principals, he's a good man. His biggest question mark is his football, sorry I just don't see a lot there (in comparison).
I'd stick with him, as we just don't know the catalystic affect a trophy win might have (just look at Leicester, lol). The players really do resonate with him, and have never stopped buying in.
The worry, as evidenced on GG, is it won't be a clean slate for him. It could crash and burn quite quickly given a bad 3 months at the start of next season.
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Why does ETH keep getting mentioned? They have got statistically WORSE since he left, all that does is show getting rid of a manager that has won you something for a shiny new toy doesn't guarantee anything....
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
GHod it’s such a lazy comparison.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Have you watched the last 91 games? And i mean watched them, not just listened to the finger pointing elsewhere interviews. We've been eye bleeding awful for so long. The terrible football and even worse results just cant go on
Because relegation wasn’t a real danger.
To be seen to be “fair”.
The preferred target to take over wasn’t available until the end of the season.
Just speculation, and actually winning the Europa has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons!
The “right” thing to do now is keep Ange, back him with a couple of first-team signings, and let it play out.