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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 83 77.6%

  • Out

    Votes: 24 22.4%
  • Total voters
    107
Bishop said:
I'm not really gonna get involved in the direct discussion but all squads have injuries at times and those previous Tottenham squads also had periods of horrific injury. When you're comparing them you can't pick and choose our current injury depleted state versus a hypothetical perfect fitness squad of the past with everyone fit. No squad we've had was ever all fit, definitely not for Harry. I think many are forgetting Harry's squad always had bloody injury problems of various types.
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Yes, but context does matter

Ange had like 7 fudging wingers out last season and managed, the context is the core of the squad is out -> GK -> 2 CBs, CM (Bentancur suspended) and Striker (Richi), right down the middle is weakened. Look at City's results in same timeframe with basically lesser issue, GK, 1 CB, DM and they sold Alvarez (self inflicted).
 
Bishop said:
I'm not really gonna get involved in the direct discussion but all squads have injuries at times and those previous Tottenham squads also had periods of horrific injury. When you're comparing them you can't pick and choose our current injury depleted state versus a hypothetical perfect fitness squad of the past with everyone fit. No squad we've had was ever all fit, definitely not for Harry. I think many are forgetting Harry's squad always had bloody injury problems of various types.
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Every team has injuries unless they are winning
You tend to get a lot less then
Players wanna play
Players will feign fitness to maintain their squad place
And confidence’s covers for it too
 
Bishop said:
They would have eventually scored even without the penalty and the penalty came about due to the flow of the game. I said at the time, a 2nd goal for them was coming.
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they had the one shot before that was a great save (in that half)
Son missed his one on one too
We also had the header on the bar
And solankes shot saved
But that penalty was well covered by good decisive positioning
Was daft
 
Raziel said:
Yes, but context does matter

Ange had like 7 fudging wingers out last season and managed, the context is the core of the squad is out -> GK -> 2 CBs, CM (Bentancur suspended) and Striker (Richi), right down the middle is weakened. Look at City's results in same timeframe with basically lesser issue, GK, 1 CB, DM and they sold Alvarez (self inflicted).
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We have 9 players out currently
9
Posted it earlier
And now 3 are at CB
4 are wingers
And the keeper
What’s the chance of that
 
Raziel said:
Yes, but context does matter

Ange had like 7 fudging wingers out last season and managed, the context is the core of the squad is out -> GK -> 2 CBs, CM (Bentancur suspended) and Striker (Richi), right down the middle is weakened. Look at City's results in same timeframe with basically lesser issue, GK, 1 CB, DM and they sold Alvarez (self inflicted).
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The biggest difference is where we are compared to the biggest teams in terms of squad building.

We should be able to deal better with this level of injury problems, but we're not. Mostly because we're building a squad over time with quite a bit of focus on younger players and fixing HG/club trained issues.

Until such a time when the squad is bigger this kind of injury problems combined with fixture congestion will lead to real issues similar-ish to what we're seeing.
 
fernadez said:
I don't think that's how facts work. They might not have got the first pen and still scored 15 from open play. The stadium lights might have turned off.

Nothing is factual apart from what occured.
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Simply: take away two goals from them and score line is a win for us.

You don’t need to write a thesis on chaos theory to educate my neat mathematical calculations.
 
braineclipse said:
The biggest difference is where we are compared to the biggest teams in terms of squad building.

We should be able to deal better with this level of injury problems, but we're not. Mostly because we're building a squad over time with quite a bit of focus on younger players and fixing HG/club trained issues.

Until such a time when the squad is bigger this kind of injury problems combined with fixture congestion will lead to real issues similar-ish to what we're seeing.
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Yes, basically outside of Son/Davies, we have replaced an entire squad of 25 in less than 4 seasons. To do that you have two choices, take some development gambles or have an unlimited budget ad buy 35+ players, some of whom you can't even fudging register.

The piece on Ange is, can you really play the exact same way within that context of injuries? I understand last season where it was a lot about embedding a mentality but there is an argument for, decimated squad, you get a lead, game manage a little bit ..
 
SpurMeUp said:
Two goals are hell of a lot of gift a side, don’t you agree? Two senseless pens when no shot was even on. I think we win that match without the two stupid tackles. You obviously want to paint a more dire picture. I’m not sure it’s logical tho as the stats back up.
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They also gifted us our goals particularly the first one with Cucrella falling over for no real reason.

This is football brick happens in games. Nearly every goal can be traced back to some poor decision on the conceding teams part. They got the penalties because they were attacking, had the ball in our box and our players couldn't cope and made bad decisions. You can't flip that into some sort of negative on Chelsea's part. They did what they supposed to do, we didn't do what we needed to do. Whether that was scoring more or conceding fewer.
 
Bishop said:
They also gifted us our goals particularly the first one with Cucrella falling over for no real reason.
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He was pressed on both and there was a lot to do to score from there.
Bishop said:
This is football brick happens in games. Nearly every goal can be traced back to some poor decision on the conceding teams part. They got the penalties because they were attacking, had the ball in our box and our players couldn't cope and made bad decisions. You can't flip that into some sort of negative on Chelsea's part. They did what they supposed to do, we didn't do what we needed to do. Whether that was scoring more or conceding fewer.
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Of course. But no one in their right mind thinks giving away those pens was anything but crazy and stupid. And it lost us the game.
 
Raziel said:
Yes, but context does matter

Ange had like 7 fudging wingers out last season and managed, the context is the core of the squad is out -> GK -> 2 CBs, CM (Bentancur suspended) and Striker (Richi), right down the middle is weakened. Look at City's results in same timeframe with basically lesser issue, GK, 1 CB, DM and they sold Alvarez (self inflicted).
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Sure, as I said I didn't really want to get into a now versus then thing, it's just he seemed to be comparing a hypothetical perfectly fit squad Vs the problems we are suffering right now. It's all a bit of recency bias.
 
SpurMeUp said:
He was pressed on both and there was a lot to do to score from there.


Of course. But no one in their right mind thinks giving away those pens was anything but crazy and stupid. And it lost us the game.
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It was crazy, it was stupid but I feel it was the pressure telling. Watching that match I felt the pressure and I did think Chelsea were going to score again, I just could feel it all the momentum was with them. Maybe it wouldn't have happened but we will never know. What we do know is when they attacked we eventually crumbled and the penalties are a direct result of that. They weren't incorrectly given so there's just no basis to remove them from the score.

Regarding Cucarella, yes he was pressed but please if that was Udogie or Porro we would absolutely be cussing him for being brick and saying the same things about gifting Chelsea the chances. There was no need for him to fall over, the press wasn't even that intense he just fell over for no reason. 🤣

But as I said that's football, no goal has any more worth than any other. At the end of the day they all just count for 1 and so the aim is to score more than you concede.
 
NaijaSpurs said:
If Ange is sacked I belive that would be manager 13 or 14 kicked to the kerb under Levy. Not sure sacking the manager is always the right call, let's face it we only have just one measly league cup to show for it in well over 2 decades.
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Aren't you forgetting the shiny great stadium? Excellent real estate, don't you dare knock it.

NaijaSpurs said:
To invest in so much youth and now to want to sack Ang is just foolishness in my opinion.
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Tbf, it'll be cheaper to move around those youth pieces for the new guy than any "expensive" buys that would have come in under Ange if the new guy doesn't want them
 
glorygloryeze said:
Aren't you forgetting the shiny great stadium? Excellent real estate, don't you dare knock it.



Tbf, it'll be cheaper to move around those youth pieces for the new guy than any "expensive" buys that would have come in under Ange if the new guy doesn't want them
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It’s really not
We spent almost £90m on them I believe with the Croatian lad
And why would you attempt to move them on
 
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