johnola
Jermaine Jenas
Either he was signed off fit to play or he was not.
And in this instance he was.
It is that fudging simple.
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Ange in or out?
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And in this instance he was.
It is that fudging simple.
Mosquito_Coasting
Gerry Armstrong
Rather than games lost I think we should give him three more hamstring injuries in, say, 2 months and he's out. I remember last season people saying 'in his first season as the players adjust to his methods there are a lot of injuries but they're strong in his second'. They look weaker than ever.
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That's what journalists covering his past clubs were saying, but add in the physical demands of the Premier League where every game is competitive and a battle physically and I don't think the mitigating methods are having the smoothing impact they did at his other clubs. Celtic will only play a handful of "end-to-end" games in a season for example, where defenders are running upwards and back and lunging all game. That's pretty much every game for us.
metalgear
Luka Modric
That's how we played football in secondary school. Every team wanted to score as many goals as possible.
I've likened our style to watching my son play under 7s, where they get on the ball and literally everyone runs towards the opposition goal, they shoot straight at the keeper who then lobs it down field over the back peddling team for their striker to bundle it into an empty net
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Only 3 teams have now lost more than us in the league...
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Hmm No it's not unfortunately.
And this isn't just on Ange of course, but we often see players, especially key ones rushed back from injury because the manager wants/needs them in a team. Darren Anderton mentioned this a few times during his career. Obviously no one wants a player to be injured but margins are so tight in elite football, having your key players on the pitch is so important even if it is not necessarily the best thing for the player. Interestingly, the current BBC article on Ange says we are reviewing the medical team because of concerns around the number of recurrent injuries.
I'd be supportive of a disciplinary action against him. And some of our fans need to get a grip and accept we were fairly beaten yesterday. What's he trying to say by his "not a level playing field" and "all things being equal" comments? Is he saying that the officials were corrupt and deliberately interpreting every decision they could in Saudi Sportswashing Machine's favour? If he isn't saying that then he needs to keep his big gob shut and put his comments in the bin next to "i always win a trophy in my second season" and "i don't believe in set plays and there's a very specific reason for that, which I'm not going to tell you"
afsoc4life
Dean Richards
If this happens I will seriously consider boycotting the BPL.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
‘Potential compensations’…. Right!
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I don’t think we have a huge gripe on the goal. It’s frustrating, in years gone by it’s disallowed but by the current rules it’s not handball. Perhaps Ange was wound up by some of the other incidents like Joelinton’s persistent fouling or Burn’s handball.
However, the quotes you’re attributing to him there are taken massively out of context. Ange has been a bit naive in saying them but they made sense if you listen to the full interviews/press conferences.
Muttley
Gheorge Popescu
We can spin it any way we want but Ange was having a go at Madley (and VAR, Kavanagh). We all know what may have happened if Joelinton was riding the yellow card tightrope from the very early exchanges. We all know he could have had multiple yellows but didn't get one until the 67th minute. Not the only one either.
If I were Spurs I would bring in a professional who knows the laws of the game inside out. I would set the denominator as how many decisions based on the pure laws of the games should Madley have to make in the 90 mins. Then measure how many he got right. Then publish the score to the football community every single week. Let the governing bodies argue that isn't the right way until they are beaten into submission that it absolutely is. Their job is to administer the laws of the game.
This has been going on for years now with PGMOL, and that organisation needs disrupting again until they right their ship.
I'm writing this knowing that Levy has no cojones, even though coming the most respected chairman in the league should count for a lot.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The two changes id make are:
1) Two referee per game - 1 for each half of the pitch (the same as netball and ice hockey). Put the touchline guy to some actual use. That takes personality and ego out of the equation
2) Have referees randomly assigned from a european wide pool. Again it just kills personality, personal histories, biases etc.
Enlighten me on the context, please.
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Can’t agree. For one, I don’t think we’ve had many bad decisions against us this year. Maybe I’m misremembering but I can’t remember any stinkers.
The laws are not always black and white, there is some subjectivity as you’ll see whenever you watch the experts analyse a game. Even on here yesterday, there was debate about if Joelinton’s collision with Bergval was a yellow.
For me, Joelinton should have been booked early on for a foul on Deki. I think if the ref gave a free he’d probably have booked him. He played on and didn’t, just gave him a warning for persistent fouling which he then referenced when he actually booked him.
Thing is, Joelinton gets booked early, he probably doesn’t make some of the later challenges so you can’t say he’d have definitely gotten a red.
We weren’t robbed by the ref yesterday. Forest looked like tacos and they were actually bummed by the officials against Everton. We’d be a laughing stock if we tried it on the basis of yesterday. We were on the wrong side of a few subjective calls - we weren’t fudged over.
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DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
On the set pieces one, he was talking about his overall objective to make us competitive and didn’t think set pieces was a major part of that. He does work on them and the evidence this season is that they have been worked on because we’ve defended them better.
On the “I always win in my second season”, it’s being spun that he’s guaranteeing a trophy this year. He wasn’t. He said to the interviewer “that’s a statement of fact isn’t it? I’ve won a trophy in my second season everywhere I’ve been. And if I don’t win one this season, I won’t be able to say it in future.”
Both were naive things to say because they are sound bites that get thrown at him at every opportunity because that’s the world we live in but if you look beyond the soundbite, what he was saying was not unreasonable in either case.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
I don't get crowbarring that comment in to every sentence possible and then being annoyed at journos asking him to expand on what he means. It's ambiguous AF, why be a sulky teenager about it, just say what you mean or no comment it.
It doesn't stack up with his previous comments about refs. He's not quite at Tyson Fury levels of contradictions (who is) but Ange is heading there. I guess it's genius man management if it's shielding the players from criticism but I can't say I'm a fan.
Muttley
Gheorge Popescu
Said this before but the person that we call the 4th official should be the one in charge of the rest of the officials. They have access to the on-pitch guys and the video guys and can knit it together better.
I love your second option. That really stops PGMOL going rogue and becoming an untouchable organisation. They would have to integrate.
That's the point I'm making. I'm not saying that he said those things because he genuinely doesn't work on set pieces or that he genuinely thinks he's going to win a trophy this season. I'm saying that when he loses a game and feels under pressure, he can be a bit of a pr*ck. He was a pr*ck with the journalist that asked him about trophies and my point is, if you think the officials were corrupt and deliberately favouring Saudi Sportswashing Machine, say so, or s*** the f*** up. Honestly it's such a victim response "we didn't win because it wasn't a level playing field. What is he trying to imply? No, Ange, we didn't win because:
A) We went out onto a pitch in that first half totally unprepared for Saudi Sportswashing Machine's physicality and high press.
B) Despite being constantly caught by them on the edge of the box and being dominated by them physically we continued to play the same way and gave two sloppy goals away (AGAIN)
C) By the time you got them in at half time and sorted things out the game was as good as done and despite the effort in the 2nd half, Saudi Sportswashing Machine gave a demonstration of how you see out a slender lead away against a tough opponent who fights till the last - something your spurs team has shown itself completely incapable of doing in 18 months