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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

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Raziel said:
Seems a lot of you (no offense meant), don't work in high pressure, target oriented jobs.

There will be no question in my mind that AVB has, multiple targets -> minimum, goal, exceeded type positioning. Failure to meet minimum will lead to his removal from the job, regardless of if it's because of players failing to settle, unlucky with injuries, anything like that.

Just how modern top tier jobs in certain industries work, extremely difficult targets to achieve (sometime more than borderline unrealistic), rewards if you make it, failure is usually loss of job.
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Fortunately those who set my targets have foresight and are looking over a longer term than the next few months. Levy doesn't strike me as lacking intelligence so I would expect him to do the same.
 
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Raziel said:
Again, high end business? no it doesn't.

Managing a club is becoming like certain high risk, high reward business roles/jobs. Targets really not realistic, if you make it you get paid very well, is you don't you get cut, your career is trying to get 2-3 years runs together where you make those goals knowing eventually you will miss and be looking for your next role.
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but the goal can't be impossible?
 
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I'm thanking my lucky stars I'm a bit thick and I only have a job that requires the possible
 
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johnola said:
Chelsea finished sixth the year they won the CL. It's not something to be ashamed of.
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Winning the CL is a far, far bigger accomplishment than winning the Europa. But I do think it would be harsh if AVB was sacked if he finished 6th and won either the Europa or the FA cup. I personally would prefer the FA cup.
 
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Winning a cup is great for the fans but means **** all to the club. I doubt that winning a cup would factor much into Levy's decision whether to hold onto AVB at the end of the season.
 
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milo said:
Winning a cup is great for the fans but means **** all to the club. I doubt that winning a cup would factor much into Levy's decision whether to hold onto AVB at the end of the season.
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True but I like to think that fan approval does at least play some part in the chairman's decision to axe a manager. Might be a backlash if we sack a manager who has just won a trophy and an almost acceptable league campaign.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
True but I like to think that fan approval does at least play some part in the chairman's decision to axe a manager. Might be a backlash if we sack a manager who has just won a trophy and an almost acceptable league campaign.
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It's about money at the end of the day. Winning a cup is not worth much, Champions League qualification is. Whether the coach keeps his job will be down to whether the club think he is the best available person to get us to qualify in the coming season.
 
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If we finish sixth and are playing badly, with the players looking lost then I would say we haven't progressed over the two years AVB has had. If however we finish the season strongly (should be aiming 6 wins from the last 6), playing some good football and just miss out on UCL then I think everyone would say the coach is on to something and should be given time.

At the start of the season we all would've said top four was a must/our goal. I don't think anyone was prepared for Arsenal's early form, Liverpool's displays nor the emergence of Everton and Southampton as contenders, so to maintain the same target irrespective of unexpected competition is arrogant. Right now looking at our points and how the other teams are shaping up, anywhere in the top four must still be the goal, however we shouldn't be too suprised to miss out with the level of quality competition. This league after all is damn tough and quite unpredictable.
 
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Cochise said:
If we finish sixth and are playing badly, with the players looking lost then I would say we haven't progressed over the two years AVB has had. If however we finish the season strongly (should be aiming 6 wins from the last 6), playing some good football and just miss out on UCL then I think everyone would say the coach is on to something and should be given time.

At the start of the season we all would've said top four was a must/our goal. I don't think anyone was prepared for Arsenal's early form, Liverpool's displays nor the emergence of Everton and Southampton as contenders, so to maintain the same target irrespective of unexpected competition is arrogant. Right now looking at our points and how the other teams are shaping up, anywhere in the top four must still be the goal, however we shouldn't be too suprised to miss out with the level of quality competition. This league after all is damn tough and quite unpredictable.
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Agree for the most part. You're right about Arsenal, not many people would have had them as top of the league in December, I still think we SHOULD have too much for Everton and Southampton and probably Liverpool too. I don't think it would be a bad thing to finish 5th.
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Agree for the most part. You're right about Arsenal, not many people would have had them as top of the league in December, I still think we SHOULD have too much for Everton and Southampton and probably Liverpool too. I don't think it would be a bad thing to finish 5th.
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Me neither, and I would just about take 6th and a cup too.

This idea of 4th or bust for our manager just seems bonkers. As if removing a manager and instigating yet another period of transition with new tactics, systems and methodology wouldn't have any negative impact at all.
 
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I do think missing fourth is a massive backwards step for us (the loss of key players etc), we can be certain at least one of our top players will leave. For me what is more important is the performances. If we continue to look unconvincing all season then questions should be asked and that doesn't mean style of play exactly, more like progression, which for me is clear cut chances appearing with greater regularity.
 
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BrainOfLevy said:
Me neither, and I would just about take 6th and a cup too.

This idea of 4th or bust for our manager just seems bonkers. As if removing a manager and instigating yet another period of transition with new tactics, systems and methodology wouldn't have any negative impact at all.
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good point.

I have always been a firm beliver that a manager needs time and a settled squad in order to achieve success.....though the counter to that is the ogliarch club who have had more managers than hot dinners and the trophies continue to roll in.

But I think for a club like ours where prudence financially is key a period of stabilty with regards to our manager is something we have been crying out for...a plan not just for the short term but a blueprint for the future as to what sort of club we want to be. of course it has to be the right man with the right vision and though I believe avb is I will admit to being 'shaken by reading some views from prominent members of this board........I will name KD & affy and that is not meant to be derogtrary to them, they are members who post in a way that makes me think and question my own beliefs as to how I percieve avb.......bottom line without the waffle I respect there views and they make them well.

I dont know what it is regarding AVB, I find him engaging and I have never been able to put my finger on why but I am desperate for him to suceed at spurs....I havent felt similar about other managers though I was fond of harry and his mannerisms.

We are nearly half way through the season so it is good to assess how we are playing and what avb has done I fully accept that some are less than impressed thus far.....I will put my neck on the chopping block and boldy state that we will be the team on everyones lips in the new year as I am seeing early signs of things beginning to click.....though it seems like slow progress in truth....I believe our rotation of front players and midfielders will benefit us in the long run......and I belive our playing style will improve with the games over decemeber & January with no international breaks to disrupt the work we need to do with the current squad and newer arrivals......I think we will have more answers as to when we access avb at the end of this season.

The key for me is the central link between attack and midfield......you can shoot me for saying it but I was hoping Eriksen would be our bergkamp knitting the two in harmony though Holtby seems to be impressing.

I say AVB is the man....... he will guff things up along the way but left to his own devices could really have us in good shape in the future.....Im desperate he at least gets 4 seasons as harry did.....I see so much potential in this squad......class gk in lloris.....cultured cb in verts.....kyle walker who is steadily improving.......beast like cm called sandro who could be our Roy keane....explosive two footed wingers with massive potential lamela & townsend........magigcians behind the frontman in Lewis & Erik.........I am frightened by how good I think we can be if we just trim the verge slightly........

I dream of this team being succesful.....trophies held aloft.....AVB's blue & white army.........
 
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Jurgen the German said:
Agree for the most part. You're right about Arsenal, not many people would have had them as top of the league in December, I still think we SHOULD have too much for Everton and Southampton and probably Liverpool too. I don't think it would be a bad thing to finish 5th.
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agreed here

it isnt 4th or sack IMO i agree. but its 4th or failure for sure i would imagine from a top level perspective.

this isnt his first season...no matter how hard is job is he signed that big boy contract and i am very confident his remit is to get champions league. you spend 110 million and someone is going to want something to show for it

if not this season then when? for this criteria not to happen again then he would then have to

Not spend any big sums next year
Not buy Many major players again next year. maybe one or two

essentially he would have to make do with the current starting 11. cause you know what...it'll start all over again with the same conditions. new players , then they are 'expected' to take a lengthy time to adapt and even then its a roll of the dice if they will

i dont think its a sacking offense...for us fans 6th and europa qualification should be good enough no? but the idea that he didnt fail if he didnt make what he was paid that huge some of money for...yeah i dont subscribe to that

i'm almost certain the board didnt hire him thinking..."we'll wait until the 4th year, and some 200 million worth of expenditure on players, of your employment before we can enjoy /expect a return on our investment. Here you go with , sign here and make x millions a year"

Nope i think it a brutal business and his target is high cause i think levy's target is high also

for me personally i think its alright if we finish 5th or 6th (even though our squad is better than that), thats always been our level, i dont see AVB as necessarily a magician to make an impossible situation possible....but i do expect him to maintain a certain level ...what the board think is something else
 
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