NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Re: ***The Official AVB Discussion Thread***
Lets hope someone else steps up to the plate with all those winning goals eh?
Lets hope someone else steps up to the plate with all those winning goals eh?
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Jimmy McCormick
Re: ***The Official AVB Discussion Thread***
To be honest I dont think there was much wrong with that Ashton article. Obviously AVB isnt gonna like it.
To be honest I dont think there was much wrong with that Ashton article. Obviously AVB isnt gonna like it.
milo
Jack L. Jones
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He might be just picking a fight to take the pressure off the players. A classic Ferguson and Mourinho tactic.
He might be just picking a fight to take the pressure off the players. A classic Ferguson and Mourinho tactic.
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And yet we're only 3 points off Everton and Liverpool and 1 off Southampton, whose managers are apparently doing a smashing job.
And yet we're only 3 points off Everton and Liverpool and 1 off Southampton, whose managers are apparently doing a smashing job.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
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I agree fully.
True. Although Southampton isn't really a great measuring stick as they could be 5 points behind us at this stage and they could still be happy so of course they will be happy where they are. Something similar is true for Everton I think.
It does go to show how narrow the margins can be, and it's probably not fair. But I still think the pressure is on, fairly or not.
I agree fully.
True. Although Southampton isn't really a great measuring stick as they could be 5 points behind us at this stage and they could still be happy so of course they will be happy where they are. Something similar is true for Everton I think.
It does go to show how narrow the margins can be, and it's probably not fair. But I still think the pressure is on, fairly or not.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
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Exactly this, AVB has never been a fav with the media and defo never will be now, but who cares...
Exactly this, AVB has never been a fav with the media and defo never will be now, but who cares...
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
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I'd be happy if it meant Ade returning to the team.
I'd be happy if it meant Ade returning to the team.
Kingdawson
Banned
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You can't only talk about the central midfield when you're talking about a midfield battle ESPECIALLY when one of the so called 'wide players' comes in centrally a lot and does most of his damage from a central position ( nasri).
Gnu I think city dingdonged on us first half. Yes two goals were mistakes but their movement generally was exceptional and they looked like scoring every opportunity. That had a lot to do with nasri coming in field and aguero dropping deep, essentially playing as as midfielder. They won the midfield battle by a landslide.
You can't only talk about the central midfield when you're talking about a midfield battle ESPECIALLY when one of the so called 'wide players' comes in centrally a lot and does most of his damage from a central position ( nasri).
Gnu I think city dingdonged on us first half. Yes two goals were mistakes but their movement generally was exceptional and they looked like scoring every opportunity. That had a lot to do with nasri coming in field and aguero dropping deep, essentially playing as as midfielder. They won the midfield battle by a landslide.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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Ashton has tried to respond - I think he does a particular poor job, doesn't really do a good job of explaining away the 'we should be ashamed' difference and tries to write off personal attacks as 'part of the job'. 'AVB literally has shares in you, owned' was good for a laugh though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rs-job-Andre-Villas-Boas-furore-mind-own.html
Ashton has tried to respond - I think he does a particular poor job, doesn't really do a good job of explaining away the 'we should be ashamed' difference and tries to write off personal attacks as 'part of the job'. 'AVB literally has shares in you, owned' was good for a laugh though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rs-job-Andre-Villas-Boas-furore-mind-own.html
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
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Hmm, I would have to disagree. There were people calling for his head when we finished 5th in 10/11, ok it wasn't a majority but it was a very vocal minority. This became exacerbated when we lost the first two games of the following seasons by heavy scorelines.
As for everything that happened AFTER that period, can't really argue with people's reasoning for wanting him out after that. I didn't want him out, but I did want someone to pay for us not getting 3rd and I was ambivalent when he was sacked rather than outraged.
Goes without saying AVB is only into his second season, but I have definitely noticed more patience from certain posters who were the complete opposite during the previous manager's time at the club. I only wish they supported the last guy the same way they do AVB. I don't hide the fact that I'm unimpressed with AVB this season, but I want him to prove me wrong all the same.
You are one of the few posters who wanted Arry out that actually admits he did a lot of good at the club and feel he missed the chance to be even more successful rather than belittling any success he did achieve as if almost any other bloke could have done the same and Arry's results were a fluke. I've changed my opinion of him as you know, but I still don't see the merit in constantly putting him down, I mean did people seriously not enjoy beating Arsenal, Chelsea, Emirates Marketing Project, AC Milan and Inter Milan regardless of how they felt about the manager's personality or managerial ability?
Hmm, I would have to disagree. There were people calling for his head when we finished 5th in 10/11, ok it wasn't a majority but it was a very vocal minority. This became exacerbated when we lost the first two games of the following seasons by heavy scorelines.
As for everything that happened AFTER that period, can't really argue with people's reasoning for wanting him out after that. I didn't want him out, but I did want someone to pay for us not getting 3rd and I was ambivalent when he was sacked rather than outraged.
Goes without saying AVB is only into his second season, but I have definitely noticed more patience from certain posters who were the complete opposite during the previous manager's time at the club. I only wish they supported the last guy the same way they do AVB. I don't hide the fact that I'm unimpressed with AVB this season, but I want him to prove me wrong all the same.
You are one of the few posters who wanted Arry out that actually admits he did a lot of good at the club and feel he missed the chance to be even more successful rather than belittling any success he did achieve as if almost any other bloke could have done the same and Arry's results were a fluke. I've changed my opinion of him as you know, but I still don't see the merit in constantly putting him down, I mean did people seriously not enjoy beating Arsenal, Chelsea, Emirates Marketing Project, AC Milan and Inter Milan regardless of how they felt about the manager's personality or managerial ability?
Craig_J
Mido
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We'll this season we'll find out whether AVB is a diamond or a water heater....
It also makes water heaters do this:
We'll this season we'll find out whether AVB is a diamond or a water heater....
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
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AVB gets patience because he is seen as a long term appointment, putting a structure and plan in place, and generally going about our operations with a bit more thought.
I backed Harry until almost the end on here but before he got sacked there were people saying we needed someone with a long term plan, someone that could build something. Many recognised the position we were in as a club and that if we wanted to move forward considering our financial constraints then we would need some sort of system and structure that allowed us to over-achieve in the same way a Swansea type club has.
With that in mind, that is why AVB gets backed, and why people have 'faith' in him. Most are on board with the fact it is a long term project, and there will be bumps along the way. With Harry it felt to most like a missed opportunity because we had the chance to achieve so much more than we did with him, where as with AVB there is a recognition we need to build and we need to muck in through the bad times in order to get to the good.
AVB gets patience because he is seen as a long term appointment, putting a structure and plan in place, and generally going about our operations with a bit more thought.
I backed Harry until almost the end on here but before he got sacked there were people saying we needed someone with a long term plan, someone that could build something. Many recognised the position we were in as a club and that if we wanted to move forward considering our financial constraints then we would need some sort of system and structure that allowed us to over-achieve in the same way a Swansea type club has.
With that in mind, that is why AVB gets backed, and why people have 'faith' in him. Most are on board with the fact it is a long term project, and there will be bumps along the way. With Harry it felt to most like a missed opportunity because we had the chance to achieve so much more than we did with him, where as with AVB there is a recognition we need to build and we need to muck in through the bad times in order to get to the good.
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it's less about 'faith' with me than it is about giving him enough time for me to be able make a judgment on where i think we will go under him. right now im less confident than i was in the summer that we will be a success, but then i haven't seen enough to say that it is not going to work.
it's less about 'faith' with me than it is about giving him enough time for me to be able make a judgment on where i think we will go under him. right now im less confident than i was in the summer that we will be a success, but then i haven't seen enough to say that it is not going to work.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
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I get that he needs time, but there shouldn't be more lenience towards him if results are bad and there isn't evidence of our play improving despite pro AVB posters insistence that we are playing well after terrible results. It's well and good saying things will come good, but I judge this on performances and results, not my personal belief in the manager.
I do believe some people overstate the job he was given and the state of the club when he took over. Fair enough we needed to get shot of certain players, but we still had a core squad that was top 6 material at worst. It's almost like they believe we were a struggling mid table side when he took over. Granted we lost some key players, but we had just finished 4th, not 14th.
I get that he needs time, but there shouldn't be more lenience towards him if results are bad and there isn't evidence of our play improving despite pro AVB posters insistence that we are playing well after terrible results. It's well and good saying things will come good, but I judge this on performances and results, not my personal belief in the manager.
I do believe some people overstate the job he was given and the state of the club when he took over. Fair enough we needed to get shot of certain players, but we still had a core squad that was top 6 material at worst. It's almost like they believe we were a struggling mid table side when he took over. Granted we lost some key players, but we had just finished 4th, not 14th.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
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Jimmy McCormick
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Not with AVB at the helm its not. The guy talked to PSG in the summer. We all know how Levy felt about Jol talking to Saudi Sportswashing Machine that time. And that's why I dont think Levy is gonna very patient.
Not with AVB at the helm its not. The guy talked to PSG in the summer. We all know how Levy felt about Jol talking to Saudi Sportswashing Machine that time. And that's why I dont think Levy is gonna very patient.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
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Thought it was Monaco?
Him being linked with Monaco, his old Porto players signing for Monaco? Him being in Monaco and a friendly being announced with Monaco?
I was under the impression that if we didnt achieve top 4, he'd be off to Monaco.
Thought it was Monaco?
Him being linked with Monaco, his old Porto players signing for Monaco? Him being in Monaco and a friendly being announced with Monaco?
I was under the impression that if we didnt achieve top 4, he'd be off to Monaco.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
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It might not have been best for AVB personally to do it but I'm glad he told this piece of **** off.
Ashton really is scum of the earth.
If any of us could have done the job he'd done at Porto, why doesn't Ashton go ahead and do so? He'd earn a hell of a lot more money than he does writing ******** for the mail.
And AVB can (rightly) be accused of and criticised for a lot of different things. Always blaming it on someone else is not one of them.
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It might not have been best for AVB personally to do it but I'm glad he told this piece of **** off.
Ashton really is scum of the earth.
If any of us could have done the job he'd done at Porto, why doesn't Ashton go ahead and do so? He'd earn a hell of a lot more money than he does writing ******** for the mail.
And AVB can (rightly) be accused of and criticised for a lot of different things. Always blaming it on someone else is not one of them.
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mudshark
Chris Armstrong
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Here's a comparative table, showing teams in their current positions, followed by the points and goal difference, respectively, relative to last season's table after the same number of games, and with the position occupied at the equivalent point last season in brackets.
01 АRЅЕ +11 +07 (06)
02 CHEL +02 +02 (04)
03 MANC -04 +10 (02)
04 LIVP +08 +08 (11)
05 EVER +03 +02 (05)
06 NEWC +09 +07 (14)
07 SOTN +11 +16 (17)
08 MANU -08 -09 (01)
09 TOTT +01 -04 (07)
10 HULL --- --- (--)
11 ASTV +06 +11 (18)
12 WBRM -11 -07 (03)
13 SWAN -02 -04 (09)
14 NORW -01 -03 (13)
15 WHAM -06 -03 (08)
16 STOK -03 -06 (12)
17 CARD --- --- (--)
18 FULM -06 -15 (10)
19 SUND -04 -12 (16)
20 CPAL --- --- (--)
Far from irretrievable, IMO, but then it all rather depends.
Here's a comparative table, showing teams in their current positions, followed by the points and goal difference, respectively, relative to last season's table after the same number of games, and with the position occupied at the equivalent point last season in brackets.
01 АRЅЕ +11 +07 (06)
02 CHEL +02 +02 (04)
03 MANC -04 +10 (02)
04 LIVP +08 +08 (11)
05 EVER +03 +02 (05)
06 NEWC +09 +07 (14)
07 SOTN +11 +16 (17)
08 MANU -08 -09 (01)
09 TOTT +01 -04 (07)
10 HULL --- --- (--)
11 ASTV +06 +11 (18)
12 WBRM -11 -07 (03)
13 SWAN -02 -04 (09)
14 NORW -01 -03 (13)
15 WHAM -06 -03 (08)
16 STOK -03 -06 (12)
17 CARD --- --- (--)
18 FULM -06 -15 (10)
19 SUND -04 -12 (16)
20 CPAL --- --- (--)
Far from irretrievable, IMO, but then it all rather depends.
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