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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

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I think that there are a lot of assumptions here about what AVB does and wants.

Willian has hardly set the league on fire this season, I'm not convinced he would have made a significant difference to our season so far. Besides, Chelsea only signed him out of spite, I am sure that they have a policy of signing players to stop their rivals getting them, so they are hardly likely to reverse that and let us take one of them in January.

doesnt really matter what he has done at chelsea...its what he could have done for us. he seems to be the prototype winger that avb needs
 
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Seen some quotes from JV and Dawson today, and thankfully the mood is more 'talking it over and coming back vs United' than it is shady transfer requests and negative agent briefings.

That is good, I would have thought if we saw some negative coverage from the press today in terms of players in our squad, then the process of AVB losing them will have begun. But I'm a bit more positive about it now and I think AVB still has them on side.

Improvements obviously need to be made, and as long as the players are on side I think they will be.

actually "talking it over" is not good i'm afraid
 
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at least we can say that the side we saw on the weekend is categorically not like goerge grahams side ;)
 
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Seen some quotes from JV and Dawson today, and thankfully the mood is more 'talking it over and coming back vs United' than it is shady transfer requests and negative agent briefings.

That is good, I would have thought if we saw some negative coverage from the press today in terms of players in our squad, then the process of AVB losing them will have begun. But I'm a bit more positive about it now and I think AVB still has them on side.

Improvements obviously need to be made, and as long as the players are on side I think they will be.

Oh come on its the same rehearsed sound-bites that come out every time we lose a game. Footballers are so pre programmed with their media training that they wouldn't know how to express dissatisfaction to an interviewer if they even wanted to. Vertonghen can talk all he wants but we could all see him throwing his toys out of the pram yesterday on the pitch and not bothering his **** following runners and tracking back.
 
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at least we can say that the side we saw on the weekend is categorically not like goerge grahams side ;)

:ross:

Good one.
That brought a smile to my face mate…and goddamit we need a bit of levity right now (see my ludicrous Jason Statham thread for evidence)
 
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AvB managed to get the highest EPL points haul ever for us last season, with a certain left footed player I grant you.

Yesterday was an abomination, that first goal was such bad footy and bad luck and 99 out of 100 times wouldn't have gone in. The second was perfection too. Our back line was ripped to shreds time and again, at will, by Emirates Marketing Project.

So now AvB has to fix it; and more importantly get us winning again. And get us scoring goals, and finding a system that allows the players to express themselves. Sorted ! No problem ...

The second goal began from another horrific Lloris attempt at a pass.
 
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So what reason did many of those same people have for disliking him before our performances ever happened? Or when they were quite good? Or when he reversed last season's poor results?

people dislike the type of football we play, it doesnt matter who the manager is, its what we are seeing on the pitch. Even if results have been good, the entertainment value is low.

if you like the way we play, the slow build up, the lack of goals, sneaking 1-0 wins, then that is your right. However there are other fans that want something more and feel that under AVB we wont see anything different no matter if he is given more time.
 
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That's because:

Harry's a qunt
He only has a job because he's part of the old boy's club
He ruins every club he goes to
Every club he leaves is in a worse position than he joined them in due to huge wage bills on ageing players who are managed by his mates
Chimbonda
His methods will never keep us up there with the big boys - that kind of player churn means we need Bales/Kings/VDVs/Modrics/Lennons coming through every couple of seasons.

So much nonsense to sift through in this post.

Can't really argue with the first point, my opinion of him is radically different to 12-18 months ago.

Ruins every club he does to? In what sense? He took us from bottom of the league to top 4 in 18 months and never finished below 5th after that. If that's your definition of ruined then fair enough.

Left us in a better position than it was when he arrived.

Well, long term I accept he wasn't the solution purely down to his age/health.
 
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That's exactly what it's about (that and the short attention spans/tempers of modern football fans). If we're making long-term decisions then the longest one we can make is that we sack him on the basis of finishing very slightly behind Arsenal with someone else's patchy squad.

He hasn't been here anywhere near long enough to show what he can do long term. Most won't afford him that luxury because in this country there's apparently something wrong with being intellectual.

Don't see that at all. Nothing wrong with being intellectual and articulate.

There's people I work with who utterly useless at what they do, but every time we have a meeting, they go on for 20 minutes about how they are going to change/improve things, which ultimately goes tits up, and yet the boss still thinks they are the ******** because they are great talkers. I've said it a thousand times, it's a results business. You say people don't like him because of who he is, I think most of his biggest fans love him BECAUSE he uses 100 words when 10 will do and he uses some big phrases.

I couldn't give a monkeys about the manager's personality unless he is bringing the club into disrepute or disrespects the fans. Right now the performances and more importantly the results are not good enough. Defeats in themselves aren't always the end of the world, but the manner of the defeats are, the only game we've lost in which were genuinely unlucky was Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

I really don't care how much potential he has, if he doesn't start showing it this season then he's got to go I'm afraid. That means anything lower than 5th and it's bye bye.
 
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Don't see that at all. Nothing wrong with being intellectual and articulate.

There's people I work with who utterly useless at what they do, but every time we have a meeting, they go on for 20 minutes about how they are going to change/improve things, which ultimately goes tits up, and yet the boss still thinks they are the ******** because they are great talkers. I've said it a thousand times, it's a results business. You say people don't like him because of who he is, I think most of his biggest fans love him BECAUSE he uses 100 words when 10 will do and he uses some big phrases.

I couldn't give a monkeys about the manager's personality unless he is bringing the club into disrepute or disrespects the fans. Right now the performances and more importantly the results are not good enough. Defeats in themselves aren't always the end of the world, but the manner of the defeats are, the only game we've lost in which were genuinely unlucky was Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

I really don't care how much potential he has, if he doesn't start showing it this season then he's got to go I'm afraid. That means anything lower than 5th and it's bye bye.

One of the big differences with AVB this year is that for many of us there is very little enthusiasm left. In the more recent past we could look at some great football, and in the past three seasons it seemed that we were on the cusp of a huge leap forward. Didn't happen with losing our 10 and 7 point leads and that team from Woolwich playing like Champions. My real fear is that if we don't progress this season we will lose players like Lloris and Verts.
 
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Okay then, he's still here then. So he is in charge for the United game.

I echo the suggestions of several posters. He needs to decide who will be the 18 in the squad, any others can go to Norway with however many U21s are required, along with Freund, while AVB spends the full week training with United Matchday squad.

As a traditonalist I would love to see him go 4-4-2 or at least 4-4-1-1, and really go at United from the 1st minute a-la-Harrys teams. If we do lose at least go down with a fight, not a wimper
 
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I've been thinking a lot about the situation since the Saudi Sportswashing Machine defeat and its gone into over-drive since yesterday's game.

AVB is a nice man. I like him. I like him a lot. It wasn't easy for me to come round to the way of thinking I have done recently, but no matter how I try and rationalise it, he's the wrong man for the job, in almost every sense.

Those that are sticking up for him do so for a few reasons, but i'd like to try and counter those if I may.

1) AVB has a plan, he's building a system. It's going to do us well for years.

Well my counter-argument to this is that he doesn't look like to me like he has a plan. When he first arrived, in the first season, he kept changing it, he'd change things several times every game, very reactionary. This season, he is changing the formation all the time, the players, the line-ups, ditching Dawson at first, then reinstating him and making him un-droppable. I mean, he's either suitable for what you want, or he isn't. Then dropping Ade, but reinstating him. He seems to me to be the novice that he undoubtedly is, fumbling, scrabbling, desperately looking for solutions. There doesn't seem to be any long-term plan of "pick a system, a settled team and stick with it". He also admits himself that he isn't in football for the long-term. He wants to quit football young, but he also wants to manage in South America and in Spain - how long does that leave for Spurs?

2) The players need time to gel. There's lots of new players and of course they're not going to fire on all cylinders straight away.

I do get this you know. I think it would be acceptable to experience the odd less-than-convincing performance, maybe the odd defeat, where it just didn't quite click. The thing is, you'd expect it to get better over time, but we aren't playing half these new players and we're also not picking a consistent line-up. Its different players all the time. Holtby one week, Eriksen the next. Sometimes Siggy's on the left, sometimes he's out the team. Sometimes Lamela plays in the Europa, but he rarely gets a game in the league and when he does he's out of position. How are the players supposed to gel when they're never played together in the same team twice in a row? Also, how often are we seeing them played out of position, or given roles that don't suit them. Why do we not play things that have been shown to work, like Sandro and Dembele together? Why was Dembele given the holding role last season when Sandro was out instead of Parker? Just bizarre. It goes on and on.

Also, Liverpool, just for one example, are bedding in Toure, Sakho, Cissokho, Mignolet, Aspas and that Spanish kid on the wing they signed, not to mention Coutinho and Sturridge that joined in January. I don't see them having the horrendous performances and results we have had. They've had the odd upset, but no more than most other teams will have. Every club has to deal with turnovers in playing staff, its just ridiculous to trot this out as an excuse for 6-0 and 3-0 drubbings.

3) AVB is making us tough to beat first, but the players will be let off the leash soon enough

But, we aren't that tough to beat. Our defence has got away with it on numerous times this season when teams have attacked us. Many teams come to WHL and sit back, even then they've created chances on the break. The West Ham, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and City performances and results were coming. We look shaky whenever we're attacked with pace, even against teams as poor as Sheriff.

We consistently get done by simple through-balls and balls over the top. One ball is enough to cause panic, and the less said about defending set-pieces the better!

4) AVB hasn't got the players he wanted or needed or the support he needed.

Sorry, but this is just complete rubbish. Levy has done everything possible to let AVB succeed. He's put a team around him, his own Portuguese staff he brought with him, along with loyal club-men to bridge the gap. This summer he brought in the director of football AVB personally recommended. He has brought in players that AVB wanted IMO, big physical players, like AVB wanted, a poacher who moves in Soldado and yes, he has missed out on players but every manager has to deal with this. Every manager has missed out on targets.

AVB has all the support and resources he needs to fashion a great team, IMO, but there are no signs of improvement and intact we are reversing fast. He is turning his tenure into a complete disaster and to me its all down to him.
 
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I've been thinking a lot about the situation since the Saudi Sportswashing Machine defeat and its gone into over-drive since yesterday's game.

AVB is a nice man. I like him. I like him a lot. It wasn't easy for me to come round to the way of thinking I have done recently, but no matter how I try and rationalise it, he's the wrong man for the job, in almost every sense.

Those that are sticking up for him do so for a few reasons, but i'd like to try and counter those if I may.

1) AVB has a plan, he's building a system. It's going to do us well for years.

Well my counter-argument to this is that he doesn't look like to me like he has a plan. When he first arrived, in the first season, he kept changing it, he'd change things several times every game, very reactionary. This season, he is changing the formation all the time, the players, the line-ups, ditching Dawson at first, then reinstating him and making him un-droppable. I mean, he's either suitable for what you want, or he isn't. Then dropping Ade, but reinstating him. He seems to me to be the novice that he undoubtedly is, fumbling, scrabbling, desperately looking for solutions. There doesn't seem to be any long-term plan of "pick a system, a settled team and stick with it". He also admits himself that he isn't in football for the long-term. He wants to quit football young, but he also wants to manage in South America and in Spain - how long does that leave for Spurs?

2) The players need time to gel. There's lots of new players and of course they're not going to fire on all cylinders straight away.

I do get this you know. I think it would be acceptable to experience the odd less-than-convincing performance, maybe the odd defeat, where it just didn't quite click. The thing is, you'd expect it to get better over time, but we aren't playing half these new players and we're also not picking a consistent line-up. Its different players all the time. Holtby one week, Eriksen the next. Sometimes Siggy's on the left, sometimes he's out the team. Sometimes Lamela plays in the Europa, but he rarely gets a game in the league and when he does he's out of position. How are the players supposed to gel when they're never played together in the same team twice in a row? Also, how often are we seeing them played out of position, or given roles that don't suit them. Why do we not play things that have been shown to work, like Sandro and Dembele together? Why was Dembele given the holding role last season when Sandro was out instead of Parker? Just bizarre. It goes on and on.

Also, Liverpool, just for one example, are bedding in Toure, Sakho, Cissokho, Mignolet, Aspas and that Spanish kid on the wing they signed, not to mention Coutinho and Sturridge that joined in January. I don't see them having the horrendous performances and results we have had. They've had the odd upset, but no more than most other teams will have. Every club has to deal with turnovers in playing staff, its just ridiculous to trot this out as an excuse for 6-0 and 3-0 drubbings.

3) AVB is making us tough to beat first, but the players will be let off the leash soon enough

But, we aren't that tough to beat. Our defence has got away with it on numerous times this season when teams have attacked us. Many teams come to WHL and sit back, even then they've created chances on the break. The West Ham, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and City performances and results were coming. We look shaky whenever we're attacked with pace, even against teams as poor as Sheriff.

We consistently get done by simple through-balls and balls over the top. One ball is enough to cause panic, and the less said about defending set-pieces the better!

4) AVB hasn't got the players he wanted or needed or the support he needed.

Sorry, but this is just complete rubbish. Levy has done everything possible to let AVB succeed. He's put a team around him, his own Portuguese staff he brought with him, along with loyal club-men to bridge the gap. This summer he brought in the director of football AVB personally recommended. He has brought in players that AVB wanted IMO, big physical players, like AVB wanted, a poacher who moves in Soldado and yes, he has missed out on players but every manager has to deal with this. Every manager has missed out on targets.

AVB has all the support and resources he needs to fashion a great team, IMO, but there are no signs of improvement and intact we are reversing fast. He is turning his tenure into a complete disaster and to me its all down to him.

I can't dance with any of this to be honest. NWND makes a compelling case. I would still give AVB up until the Sunderland game for him and the players to demonstrate we are on the right track and improving. For me, I find it difficult to see ANY areas of improvement under AVB. Goalie, maybe. Corners and free kicks, definitely not. Defence, hardly after Sunday. Midfield, mindlessly boring. Wingers, inverted and neutered. Up front, disaster. Entertainment, nil.

Where do the pro AVB-ers derive their optimism from? The only time he managed in this country, he failed dismally. I really hope he gets it all together, but he now has to do it and really quickly. No more excuses.
 
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Absolutely stunned by what I am reading.


Sadly, whenever the mob calling for the manager's grows in numbers on here they get what they want, seen it all before with Jol, Ramos and Redknapp...

Either way, AVB has my backing.
 
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From the post above
3) AVB is making us tough to beat first, but the players will be let off the leash soon enough

But, we aren't that tough to beat. Our defence has got away with it on numerous times this season when teams have attacked us. Many teams come to WHL and sit back, even then they've created chances on the break. The West Ham, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and City performances and results were coming. We look shaky whenever we're attacked with pace, even against teams as poor as Sheriff.We consistently get done by simple through-balls and balls over the top. One ball is enough to cause panic, and the less said about defending set-pieces the better!

Totally agree.

For me yesterdays defeat has been coming since the Sheriff away match. I still dont know how we won that match let alone keep a clean sheet. They could have scored 6 themselves that night, and quite frankly they are a pub-team and at times made us look like one.
I remember saying to the wife that night, GHod I hope we arent this bad when we go to Everton and City.

Granted we were very good in that first half at Goodison, but now I start to wonder were Everton just sh#t in the first 45 mins, because I just dont know how a team can play so well in that 45mins and then turn in a display like yesterday in their next away game
 
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