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American politics

Rorschach said:
If you flip this on its head and ask the question, what is an acceptable level of collusion for a united states president? The answer surely has to zero, zip, nada. That there is any evidence at all is fairly mind-boggling, but somehow Trump has managed to get even mainstream media accepting this scenario.
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Trump has got away (so far) with so many things that would have been huge, administration ending scandals - violating the emoluments clause, lying, campaign finance violations, shagging porn stars while his wife is still sore from giving birth AND paying her and others off for their silence... I can't type anymore as it makes me feel ill. Amerikka (mainly) pretended to be a democratic republic for a couple of hundred years, but the scales have fallen from the eyes of the world and revealed the fetid, racist, corrupt corporate kleptocracy that the USA is.
 
Latest episode of the podcast Opening Arguments (episode 264) had a very good and informative breakdown of the Barr summary and current situation. They have a liberal bias, that I like, but seem fair and are often much better than other media at reporting what's actually going on from a legal viewpoint.

A bit of optimism about what can still result from the Muller investigation.
 
braineclipse said:
Latest episode of the podcast Opening Arguments (episode 264) had a very good and informative breakdown of the Barr summary and current situation. They have a liberal bias, that I like, but seem fair and are often much better than other media at reporting what's actually going on from a legal viewpoint.

A bit of optimism about what can still result from the Muller investigation.
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One of my favourite podcasts.

It's very clear to them that this is a Trump hack's interpretation of the report we're seeing - not the report itself.
 
Jordinho said:
An inconclusive report isn't necessarily a good thing for Trump as it will just make the Democrats in congress push on with more investigations of their own. Best case scenario could be that he loses the election next year and is then hit with a bunch of charges. There's no way his finances are clean.
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I think it might be a mistake if the dems focus too much on this investigation. They should rather focus on politics, and beating that muppet in the next election.
 
the dza said:
That the investigation turned up no evidence that Trump or his campaign conspired with Russia to help him win the 2016 election.
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He was not actually exonerated, besides there could still be evidence of unlawful behaviour, probably why Barr is in no hurry to release the document.

the dza said:
And this after 2 years of people screaming that Mueller was going to take Trump down for treason/being a traitor/Putin puppet etc.
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Smart and informed people were not screaming Mueller was going to take Trump down, rather they hoped he would be or they thought he deserved to be.

the dza said:
IMO, Trump has been given massive ammunition for 2020, when they could have just focussed on his terrible policies and maybe general criminality surrounding his business dealings. This is what p1sses me off about it, the cult of Russiagate have boosted his chances in 2020. And for what? To basically shield Hilary Clinton and her ilk from too much criticism.
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The Republicans got roasted in the mid terms because the Democrats focused on health care. Right now Trump is trying to tear down "Obama Care" without an alternative policy in place, which will leave millions of Americans without affordable healthcare insurance. If they continue down that path they will crash and burn come the election
 
NaijaSpurs said:
The Republicans got roasted in the mid terms because the Democrats focused on health care. Right now Trump is trying to tear down "Obama Care" without an alternative policy in place, which will leave millions of Americans without affordable healthcare insurance. If they continue down that path they will crash and burn come the election
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I sincerely hope so, it should be guaranteed really. Then again, he wasn't supposed to win in the first place...
 
I must say the one person that has impressed me the most so far in the long list of candidates is Mayor Pete. In every single interview I have seen he comes across as intelligent, thoughtful, talking a lot of sense
 
NaijaSpurs said:
I must say the one person that has impressed me the most so far in the long list of candidates is Mayor Pete. In every single interview I have seen he comes across as intelligent, thoughtful, talking a lot of sense
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Seems a good guy and fluent in Norwegian apparently, though I wouldn't hold that against him.
 
Just as an aside, where did this stuff about "well, there was collusion but the report just shows that it wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt" come from?

The quote from the Mueller report is:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
 
the dza said:
Just as an aside, where did this stuff about "well, there was collusion but the report just shows that it wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt" come from?

The quote from the Mueller report is:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
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The square brackets around the T mean that it was originally a lower case one - meaning it was part of a longer sentence. If the first part of it isn't damning, then why crop it out?

The podcast @braineclipse has mentioned suggests that there's far more to it that has been cropped off.
 
scaramanga said:
The square brackets around the T mean that it was originally a lower case one - meaning it was part of a longer sentence. If the first part of it isn't damning, then why crop it out?

The podcast @braineclipse has mentioned suggests that there's far more to it that has been cropped off.
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The full report will be released "in weeks" apparently and we will see then.
 
scaramanga said:
The square brackets around the T mean that it was originally a lower case one - meaning it was part of a longer sentence. If the first part of it isn't damning, then why crop it out?

The podcast @braineclipse has mentioned suggests that there's far more to it that has been cropped off.
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I had read somewhere that there are hardly any complete sentences from the report in the summary.
 
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