milo
Jack L. Jones
You can see how playing the wounded victim on the media circuit could be better business for him than being president.
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American politics
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You can see how playing the wounded victim on the media circuit could be better business for him than being president.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I loved that ad.
Craig_J
Mido
That's the part that's always bothered me. In America they're raised from kids to pledge alliegance, all the media tell them they're the fgreatest country in the world etc. etc. and yet they have the audacity to say North Koreans are brainwashed when Americans are probably just as brainwashed as them!
In the UK it's different. You're raised to be pessimistic about everything to do with it.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Balls. The two world wars and one world cup gonads that we have stuffed down our throats from birth gives us a massively inflated sense of our own importance.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I am not sure I agree with that Milo, though the is a tendency to focus on the world wars, why newspapers still run special stories on it(the mail and express) when the is not an anniversary is odd to me. The tone of the conversation is often about how far as a country we have fallen behind. The are so many stories in the press from all different political views to focus on the countries fallings.
I think part of the national psyche is to be a bit negative and I rather like that part of us.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Isn't that the focus of Trump's presidential campaign too?
The English (not British) psyche massively overplays our importance in the world. Thankfully, we are not saluting flags in schools each morning but so much of our international relations are played out in the press through a prism of the second world war and the loss of the empire.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I think it is a very small part of society that is like that, and I think that part is dying out. To use football as an analogy I do not find many young people(under30) thinking we can win in the summer. Most people know England or Britain is not all that good and is not important in the grand scheme of things, just because a few fat reporters like writing stories to the contrary well I do not believe most believe those stories.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
I agree, in my experience most English people (me included) are quite negative about England.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
It's hardly surprising as everyone is always telling us how crap we are and how our history is nothing but imperial abuse.
Craig_J
Mido
Of course we all want ISIS stopped and of course we all hope that hitting them 'hard' is the way to do it but history suggests it isn't as simple as that.
There's a difference between saying what people want and actually giving a clear thought out plan on what you're going to do to get people the things they want.
I could say that if I become prime minister we're going to overcome the left/ right divide by making every single British person a billionaire. Everyone would want that but it's just not feasible.
I don't think Trump has much of a chance of getting in but you never know... What I do think he'll succeed in is saying a load of stuff that stirs up a lot of hatred and division all over the world and leave everyone else to pick up the pieces, regardless of whether he wins in November or not.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Of course we all want that. But to do that, we'd have to smoke out the bastards that helped to create and funded them. Take a wild guess who they are, and why it is unfortunately not a simple 'bomb the brick out of 'em' stance that can be taken.
You say 'things', what else has he said that you think we all want??
Terrorism is the main thing. The wall is an interesting one. If the Mexicans are illegally getting in then clearly something needs to be done.
The alternative to Trump is the same old dross. The same old brick turning a blind eye to the problems.
By the way Trump is NOT the answer. Just like UKIP he says things people want to hear. The majority is baloney but he speaks sense on a few issues.
Craig_J
Mido
Agreed. I'd guess when you speak to an American former soldier from the war they'd say they fought for the freedom of the greatest nation on earth. If you spoke to a British former soldier from the war (as I have done many times) they'd say they fought for our freedom and what a bloody waste of time that was, look at the state of the country etc, etc.
Also, I'm not patriotic at all (as discussed in the thread chich set up) but I don't think you can over estimate Britain's influence on the world. The Empire controlled a third of the world and British culture had a huge influence, and still does to this day, on many parts of the globe. You quite literally have nations that speak English as a first language on every continent of the world.
To use another football analogy, with the USA there are similarities to Sky with the Premier League. Trying to rewrite history as if nothing decent had ever existed until America 'invented' democracy. Just like the dark old days before Sky, and other commercial sponsors, 'invented ' football in the early 90's.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I think our Politicians have a habit of when they do press conferences talking with an inflated sense of self worth. Maybe the press or people who went to private schools have a view that England or Britain is important in the world(I see this in my sons private school)
But I honestly feel the majority of people in this country dont feel it is that good, when we hear about people in hospitals being left on trolleys in corridors or in the schools where we are slipping down the league tables internationally for subjects. Or how the debt of the nation is going up how we as a nation do not produce anything any more, how we pay more for train fares and other services than most countries, really the list goes on.
So I find that most people think we are not very important any more, I even think the debate around immigration whatever your view on it is, is really around money and people are afraid about being worse off financially. Whether that is correct or not I do not think a lot of it is to do with racism though sure the are still pockets of racists around.
Basically I think it is the upper class and then the inbred scum racist class that think England is important, the rest of us are glad we were not born into poverty in a really poor country but are a bit concerned that the country is getting worse and worse.
But I honestly feel the majority of people in this country dont feel it is that good, when we hear about people in hospitals being left on trolleys in corridors or in the schools where we are slipping down the league tables internationally for subjects. Or how the debt of the nation is going up how we as a nation do not produce anything any more, how we pay more for train fares and other services than most countries, really the list goes on.
So I find that most people think we are not very important any more, I even think the debate around immigration whatever your view on it is, is really around money and people are afraid about being worse off financially. Whether that is correct or not I do not think a lot of it is to do with racism though sure the are still pockets of racists around.
Basically I think it is the upper class and then the inbred scum racist class that think England is important, the rest of us are glad we were not born into poverty in a really poor country but are a bit concerned that the country is getting worse and worse.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
You'll need to explain how he speaks sense on terrorism. Have you delved into his policies? What is his plan? Why does that resonate with you and make you think he speaks 'sense' on this subject other than rooster-posturing and playing to ignorance?
Do you think it is an Interesting one that the answer to stop 'the Mexicans' getting in illegally is, in Trumps own words, 'build a wall and get them to pay for it?' Or just that he's addressing this supposed problem? I read a few unbiased and very informative articles that make me feel it isn't the problem he is making it out to be (much like most discussions about immigration), but would be good to hear from American posters or those that hold more credence on this subject.
I also don't understand when you say the alternative to Trump is the same old dross but then say he's not the answer? Why are his policies more resonant than that of Cruz, or Sanders? Or indeed, the independents?
My opinion is that much of what Trump is about is getting airtime. He's very, very good at that. If he gets to run, he'll be torn apart. I suspect his ego is struggling to let him acknowledge this. The scary thing is that there are many Americans that buy into his nonsense. The guy contradicts himself on such a consistent basis, it's unreal. If the Democrats aren't so pre-occupied with ensuring Sanders doesn't win the nomination (I don't think he will), I would imagine they are rubbing their hands at the thought of their candidate picking apart his rhetoric.
I don't see what good a wall is when they dig tunnels and have ropes and ladders available.
I also have no idea what he can do differently with ISIS other than send in thousands of US ground troops. They had 150,000 troops in Iraq, that didn't really work. They have bombed thousands of targets in the last few years and things have only started to really work now Russia is helping the Syrian government.
The only thing that Trump has said that made much sense to me was that it's better to make a deal with bad guys if it stops worse people from attacking you (so prop up the dictators to prevent the likes of ISIS getting off the ground).
I'd still rather he won than Cruz.
I also have no idea what he can do differently with ISIS other than send in thousands of US ground troops. They had 150,000 troops in Iraq, that didn't really work. They have bombed thousands of targets in the last few years and things have only started to really work now Russia is helping the Syrian government.
The only thing that Trump has said that made much sense to me was that it's better to make a deal with bad guys if it stops worse people from attacking you (so prop up the dictators to prevent the likes of ISIS getting off the ground).
I'd still rather he won than Cruz.
Craig_J
Mido
Indeed. Mexicans who desperately want to get away from Mexico in the USA will find ways to do so no matter what borders you put up, as we have seen with migrants drowning themselves to escape Syria. And the cartels will find ways to get into America to conduct 'business' in the states no matter what borders you put up as there's the chance to get rich quick on the other side of the wall.
jts1882
Dean Richards
He is against foreign involvement involving troops as in Iraq and Afghanistan so his plan to smash ISIS is just hot air. Unless he gets the Mexicans to do it when they've finished with the wall.
The wall is all diversion. In recent years more Mexicans have being return home than moving to the US. If they wanted to stop illegal immigration they would clamp down on the employers. It's not as if the large farms and other industries employing illegals are hidden from sight. These businesses want the cheap Labour and their politicians oblige.