All or Nothing - spoilers

[harr1984]

I'd rather have a fit Harry Kane than a guy that insists on playing every game and misses 20 games every season because he is a real man.

It is so easily noticeable that the people who were anti Mourinho from the start pick on anything to try and criticise him. Don’t make out like Kane missing a load of games is because of what Mourinho wants, he was consistently getting injured for months well before Mourinho was here.....

 

[braineclipse]

Eh. I don't blame him for asking for games. I do, however, think it's astonishingly oblivious on his part to claim he's the best left-back at the club - he wasn't even the best left-back at Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

I can't judge him on whatever may have gone on in training, because I don't get to watch it. I do watch the games, however. And in the games I saw, Japhet Tanganga, a raw kid Rose derided as just another 'right-footed center back' playing in his position...did far, far better than Rose has done for a year and a half.

Thst's why I think Rose is astonishingly oblivious, or just astronomically self-centered. Tanganga is better than him while playing out of position on the opposite side to his favored foot, and Danny still thinks he deserves games? Utterly stupid.

Oblivious, perhaps...

I think he has (had) the belief that given a run of games he could regain his form and again be good enough to be a regular starter.

I'm guessing part of the frustration is that that belief is fading. Mourinho coming in could have been a fresh start, a new chance, but at the time of the conversation that hope too was dissapearing.

I quite like that confidence bordering on being oblivious. I think it's helped Rose in the past, helped him become the excellent player he once was. It causes some problems for him and the club now, but that's the way it has to be. Players need that belief to work hard in training every day, take care of themselves, stay away from all of the temptations of life that footballers should abstain from.

If that belief, that oblivious confidence, goes, that's truly the end.

 

[MKSpur]

I wonder if all/most of the players refer to Levy as 'Daniel' rather than the chairman or Mr Levy.
Noticed that's what Danny Rose said at the end of the Mourinho meeting

I think only Spooky refers to him as Mr Levy...

 

[JerusalemMan]

A number of people were defending Mourinho and his attitude to injuries, player welfare and pretty much denying the whole Eva Carneiro situation happened in the Mourinho thread last season.
His prehistoric 'proper football man' attitude to playing through injuries and his attempt to bully the medical staff is there for all to see. Also revealed is that Harry Kane was playing through an existing hamstring injury when he picked the worse injury that put him out. The whole Son bit is disturbing.
Lucky for the players that the senior medical staff have been at the club long enough to hold some sway.

It really is not.
Unless you wilfully are twisting what you see to fit an agenda...ah.
As you were.

 

[parklane1]

It is so easily noticeable that the people who were anti Mourinho from the start pick on anything to try and criticise him. Don’t make out like Kane missing a load of games is because of what Mourinho wants, he was consistently getting injured for months well before Mourinho was here.....

It really is not.
Unless you wilfully are twisting what you see to fit an agenda...ah.
As you were.

Both these are spot on, i can understand fans not wanting certain types here as a manager/player but for fudgeS sake lets drop the agendas and try and get behind a guy who ( as far as i can see) has already improved us from the mess he inherited.

 

[DaveT316]

Did anyone else think it interesting how - I’m trying to think of the right word here - fragile / unsure Coco seemed about his body / injuries?

Probably not that surprising, given how many he’s been through, but really seemed like he was second guessing his body and tormented by it. Poor guy.

That and that his English still isn’t very good! Ha!

 

[Lemonade Money]

I think only Spooky refers to him as Mr Levy...

There used to be a blog over there.

 

[Grays_1890]

It really is not.
Unless you wilfully are twisting what you see to fit an agenda...ah.
As you were.

I see it both ways as a yet to be convinced Mourinho person.

His flippant attitude to the Physio like he did not respect his diagnose was abit off for me, HOWEVER even as a non Mourinho fan the pressure to field a fall team is huge as was to hit top 4 which was clear in this doc. Also we have nothing to judge him by in terms of how other managers act, lets not pretend Fergie was not fielding injured lads with injections to win game....

 

[Grays_1890]

I wonder if all/most of the players refer to Levy as 'Daniel' rather than the chairman or Mr Levy.
Noticed that's what Danny Rose said at the end of the Mourinho meeting

I didnt have too much issue with the Rose v Mourinho bit, like someone said loads of player manager meetings happen up and down the country and they deal with it, seems fans are the ones that struggle with how they compute what they see behind closed doors. I have sat in boardrooms where worse is said and we crack on after and deal with work.

BUT The im going to Daniel bit was childish

 

[90291Spur]

I didnt have too much issue with the Rose v Mourinho bit, like someone said loads of player manager meetings happen up and down the country and they deal with it, seems fans are the ones that struggle with how they compute what they see behind closed doors. I have sat in boardrooms where worse is said and we crack on after and deal with work.

BUT The im going to Daniel bit was childish

Seems to me like he was being honest and not going behind José’s back. And ultimately Daniel makes the decisions that impact finances. But rose can never win. If he hadn’t said that some would say he was sneaky.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I see it both ways as a yet to be convinced Mourinho person.

His flippant attitude to the Physio like he did not respect his diagnose was abit off for me, HOWEVER even as a non Mourinho fan the pressure to field a fall team is huge as was to hit top 4 which was clear in this doc. Also we have nothing to judge him by in terms of how other managers act, lets not pretend Fergie was not fielding injured lads with injections to win game....

I have to say I need convincing that the guy taking to him should be lead physio
I swear he took a selfie with son when telling him he needs and X-ray in his elbow
Plus he has no gravitas to deal with the the egos a manager brings. He needs to grow a pair like the lady did at chelsea

 

[Grays_1890]

Plus he has no gravitas to deal with the the egos a manager brings. He needs to grow a pair like the lady did at chelsea

Are there physios with gravitas? im yet to know a superstar physio and where is she for fighting back?

TBH I think you prove a point, the game is above the science, she lost her job and which physio is going to win a fight against a manager who need to field a side.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Are there physios with gravitas? im yet to know a superstar physio and where is she for fighting back?

TBH I think you prove a point, the game is above the science, she lost her job and which physio is going to win a fight against a manager who need to field a side.

This guy though was just wet
He came across as someone who needed a confidence boost

 

[Grays_1890]

This guy though was just wet
He came across as someone who needed a confidence boost

Years of players and managers telling him unfit players are fit

TBH I liked his players welfare is paramount above all and saving them from themselves and managers....

 

[Jurgen the German]

Did anyone else think it interesting how - I’m trying to think of the right word here - fragile / unsure Coco seemed about his body / injuries?

Probably not that surprising, given how many he’s been through, but really seemed like he was second guessing his body and tormented by it. Poor guy.

That and that his English still isn’t very good! Ha!

I don’t know how someone can live in a country for years and have a poor grasp of the language of the country you live in. That isn’t a slight on Lamela, my girlfriend’s family are Chinese. Some of them have lived here for the best part of 40 years and still speak little to no English. Surely you pick a lot of it up by listening and hearing certain words frequently?

 

[DubaiSpur]

I don’t know how someone can live in a country for years and have a poor grasp of the language of the country you live in. That isn’t a slight on Lamela, my girlfriend’s family are Chinese. Some of them have lived here for the best part of 40 years and still speak little to no English. Surely you pick a lot of it up by listening and hearing certain words frequently?

Not particularly. I live in a basically bilingual part of Canada, where you have the Anglophone Ottawa on one side of the river, and the fully Francophone Gatineau on the other side of the river - the provincial border between Ontario and Quebec is midway across the bridges on the river.

Folks have lived in Ottawa and gone to work in Gatineau for 40 years, and still know next to no French. 'Hello Bonjour', 'comment ca va?', and 'oui/non' are about the limit, despite living and working in a functionally bilingual place and often working for the federal government, which necessitates a level of conversational French for the majority of positions in the area.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that your home environment really factors into whether you learn the language or not, and just listening to random people speak it often makes next to no difference. If you use English at home to communicate and in the majority of your day-to-day interactions, the few words you need to know in French to just subsist will make no difference - you're still functionally unilingual. Same thing with immigrant families, who tend to speak their home language at home a lot.

When I moved here, I kept getting advised to get a Quebecois girlfriend, since it was the quickest, cheapest and most engaging way to learn French. I suppose the principle equally applies to Lamela, and immigrants more broadly.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Branislav Ivanovic played with a foot injury so bad that, at the end of matches, blood was literally, visibly seeping through his boots. He also won nearly everything with Chelsea, going down in their history as one of their most committed, dependable players.

Players' fear of injuries doesn't concern me. Winning concerns me. Mourinho knows how to win. He wants people as committed to winning as he is. In Kane and Son, you saw players who wanted to play on through injuries, who wanted to win.

In Tanguy Ndombele, you see the opposite. Who would you rather have at the club?

Expert opinion that tells you simply a player cannot play with the type of injury the diagnostic tools have uncovered.

And that to be respected.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I didnt have too much issue with the Rose v Mourinho bit, like someone said loads of player manager meetings happen up and down the country and they deal with it, seems fans are the ones that struggle with how they compute what they see behind closed doors. I have sat in boardrooms where worse is said and we crack on after and deal with work.

BUT The im going to Daniel bit was childish

I think that bit did come across as childish BUT he may not of meant it in a 'im going to tell Daniel I'm not happy with you' type of way, but in a 'i can see.my time is done here I need to know what my options are and/or to initiate the first steps to getting out of here'?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Did anyone else think it interesting how - I’m trying to think of the right word here - fragile / unsure Coco seemed about his body / injuries?

Probably not that surprising, given how many he’s been through, but really seemed like he was second guessing his body and tormented by it. Poor guy.

That and that his English still isn’t very good! Ha!

The amazing thing is , physically he looks tuned to perfection. He must work at that so hard considering he's working around an injury most of the time.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The amazing thing is , physically he looks tuned to perfection. He must work at that so hard considering he's working around an injury most of the time.

But every injury he picks up is in training so something isn’t quite right
Even the one on here is that. He is in his own words as fit as he has ever been and he gets a thigh strain half an hour in.... that’s crazy to see a player get injured in training so consistently