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Morgan Gibbs-White

thfcsteff said:
Agreed.
I love Eze's style and air; to me it's Tottenham-style.
I think MGW is a fine player, and I think his off-the-ball terriereseque attitude earmarks him as perhaps more 'Frankian' however given their ages and relative prices, I'd go for Eze all day (wanted him for a couple of seasons now).
I think it's interesting see Gallagher noted again (agent talk?) however Frank's comment about surgeries and patients shows that he knows what we didn't have to see out Wed's game, and perhaps he's made that very very clear to the board?
I also have to think we have a cash injection from somewhere?
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Did you see the Beeb article that ‘confirmed’ the cash injection the other day? Reckon it will come out in the wash post window.
 
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thfcsteff said:
Agreed.
I love Eze's style and air; to me it's Tottenham-style.
I think MGW is a fine player, and I think his off-the-ball terriereseque attitude earmarks him as perhaps more 'Frankian' however given their ages and relative prices, I'd go for Eze all day (wanted him for a couple of seasons now).
I think it's interesting see Gallagher noted again (agent talk?) however Frank's comment about surgeries and patients shows that he knows what we didn't have to see out Wed's game, and perhaps he's made that very very clear to the board?
I also have to think we have a cash injection from somewhere?
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I think the fact we moved on MGW first says he was the primary target for that role - I've got no real opinion on who is the better player and regardless, if we get our first or second choice targets over the line ultimately i think that means we're doing what we are setting out to do so is fine by me either way.

With transfer fees being structured over multiple years (sometimes/often?) I don't see why we couldn't fund multiple big (ish) money deals in one window - 3 x 60m players / 4 years works out to 45m outlay - depending what else we owe out i don't see the need to look for answers in the form of investment or injections
 
billyiddo said:
I think the fact we moved on MGW first says he was the primary target for that role - I've got no real opinion on who is the better player and regardless, if we get our first or second choice targets over the line ultimately i think that means we're doing what we are setting out to do so is fine by me either way.

With transfer fees being structured over multiple years (sometimes/often?) I don't see why we couldn't fund multiple big (ish) money deals in one window - 3 x 60m players / 4 years works out to 45m outlay - depending what else we owe out i don't see the need to look for answers in the form of investment or injections
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We do owe a lot, that's what the accounts do tell us. But we don't know enough about the structure of each deal to know how much is due out each season.
 
DaveT316 said:
Did you see the Beeb article that ‘confirmed’ the cash injection the other day? Reckon it will come out in the wash post window.
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He was very quick to row back on it but hoddle made allusions to serious moves afoot before the SL final.
Wonder if it's connected and he knows something and let it slip.
 
thfcsteff said:
The subtexts for me are -

His agent blew it on the release clause and did not place it in the B&W space, instead leaving it open to 'interpretation'.
Marinakis decided he could not lose his two best players in 2 days.
He used the velvet/green glove to make sure Gibbs-White stayed.

I'll say this...if we get Eze I'll forget this. If we get Eze and Savinho I'll be grateful it did not happen.
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Hopefully this proves to be a blessing in disguise, like Berahino and Son a decade ago!

Gibbs-White’s agent must be kicking himself that he didn’t let the clause slip a little sooner though, as Marinakis might’ve let the move proceed if Elanga hadn’t moved the day before.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
We do owe a lot, that's what the accounts do tell us. But we don't know enough about the structure of each deal to know how much is due out each season.
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Yeah, I agree. It must be really significant though. Ideally you add transfer debt from this summer but end up paying prior years transfer debts at the same time. At the same time, you sell players and offset it. Therefore the overall debt doesn't go up.

In our case, I'm not sure that is the case. We have no significant sales but are making the big purchases. It's going up.

Definitely a conscious decision by the club though, and probably to do with this cash injection we keep hearing about.
 
This was posted by one of the Spurs Community ITKs today:

"I just wanted to clarify what happened with MGW as there are a lot of incorrect rumours etc still doing the rounds and a few weeks have passed and I think it's now safe to do so.

MGW leaked his release clause, not his agent, not Spurs and not Forrest(just for old times sake). Forest knew he was looking to move and concocted a plan to do a PSR bump with Emirates Marketing Project and McAtee where City paid well over the odds for MGW and McAtee went the other way for a lot more than the eventually bought him for. As soon as it hit the news City dropped any interest they had which wasn't much but if they could get him cheap then it could have been an easy flip for profit if it didn't work out. So now how could City pay £80mil for him when the whole world knew the release clause was £60mil?

From what I was told and shared in the lead up it to it all hitting the fan, was that MGW leaked the release clause to the media so that couldn't happen. Marinakis and Forest found out about it and threatened to tie him up in court for years like what happened with Bosman and he would have been left not playing in a world cup year in the peak of his career. This left him little choice but to sign a new deal on much better terms to make it look like a win for Forest and more importantly Mr Marinakis. It all happened incredibly fast because he was left with little option after he had completely f***ed himself over. Spurs knew nothing of all of this and were as shocked as anyone when the story broke that he had signed a new deal

The release clause he had, had a confidentially clause added. What it basically said was that if a club bid X amount we will accept the offer. The whole point of that confidentiality clause was to protect Forest's interest and I completely understand it, and I will tell you all now there are many many more contracts out there with clauses that are exactly the same as this one(it's not uncommon). You just don't hear about them because, well, they are confidential.

What the clause actually means is....., look we know if a bigger club comes in you may want to go and if that is the case then we will earn a profit and be able to buy a replacement and understand you want to be the best you can be. If that is the case and the magic number is £60 mil they may come in with a bid of £70 mil which benefits the club far more. If we tell everyone the release value they will only ever bid exactly that much. It's one of the reasons clubs make various offers going up in increments up to the price they are actually willing to pay and not go over."
 
JerusalemMan said:
This was posted by one of the Spurs Community ITKs today:

"I just wanted to clarify what happened with MGW as there are a lot of incorrect rumours etc still doing the rounds and a few weeks have passed and I think it's now safe to do so.

MGW leaked his release clause, not his agent, not Spurs and not Forrest(just for old times sake). Forest knew he was looking to move and concocted a plan to do a PSR bump with Emirates Marketing Project and McAtee where City paid well over the odds for MGW and McAtee went the other way for a lot more than the eventually bought him for. As soon as it hit the news City dropped any interest they had which wasn't much but if they could get him cheap then it could have been an easy flip for profit if it didn't work out. So now how could City pay £80mil for him when the whole world knew the release clause was £60mil?

From what I was told and shared in the lead up it to it all hitting the fan, was that MGW leaked the release clause to the media so that couldn't happen. Marinakis and Forest found out about it and threatened to tie him up in court for years like what happened with Bosman and he would have been left not playing in a world cup year in the peak of his career. This left him little choice but to sign a new deal on much better terms to make it look like a win for Forest and more importantly Mr Marinakis. It all happened incredibly fast because he was left with little option after he had completely f***ed himself over. Spurs knew nothing of all of this and were as shocked as anyone when the story broke that he had signed a new deal

The release clause he had, had a confidentially clause added. What it basically said was that if a club bid X amount we will accept the offer. The whole point of that confidentiality clause was to protect Forest's interest and I completely understand it, and I will tell you all now there are many many more contracts out there with clauses that are exactly the same as this one(it's not uncommon). You just don't hear about them because, well, they are confidential.

What the clause actually means is....., look we know if a bigger club comes in you may want to go and if that is the case then we will earn a profit and be able to buy a replacement and understand you want to be the best you can be. If that is the case and the magic number is £60 mil they may come in with a bid of £70 mil which benefits the club far more. If we tell everyone the release value they will only ever bid exactly that much. It's one of the reasons clubs make various offers going up in increments up to the price they are actually willing to pay and not go over."
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That last bit makes sense for when Levy is accused of low-balling, you'd be mad not to.
 
billyiddo said:
I think the fact we moved on MGW first says he was the primary target for that role - I've got no real opinion on who is the better player and regardless, if we get our first or second choice targets over the line ultimately i think that means we're doing what we are setting out to do so is fine by me either way.

With transfer fees being structured over multiple years (sometimes/often?) I don't see why we couldn't fund multiple big (ish) money deals in one window - 3 x 60m players / 4 years works out to 45m outlay - depending what else we owe out i don't see the need to look for answers in the form of investment or injections
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Maddison was fit at the time. Mgw can also play the 8. So that might have been the thinking.
 
Robbo said:
Interesting theory. Don't really see how they'd been able to tie him up in courts for years, though. Best thing Forest could get from taking MGW to the courts would probably be some sort of fine/compensation, I would guess.
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Surely the confidentiality clause would say, if you reveal the clause, the clause becomes invalid?
 
It’s kind of plausible, but I don’t see why MGW would make the clause public unless he really didn’t want to go to City, which would be strange?
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
It’s kind of plausible, but I don’t see why MGW would make the clause public unless he really didn’t want to go to City, which would be strange?
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I would guess it's normal for the buying club's agent to contact your agent to say they are interested, before an approach is made, so if the first you hear of it is your club saying we've accepted an offer £20m above your buy-out, you would question weather you are just being horse traded and if they really want you?
 
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