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Morgan Gibbs-White

DeanoAustin said:
On the Bale money, fair enough, we did go for quantity. And there was a fair bit of brick in that quantity. But there was also Christian Eriksen who became one of the most important cogs in the team that challenged for the league and arguably the best Spurs side in my lifetime. We also got Lamela who, while less successful, was a decent buy (as was Chadli to a smaller extent). We spread the risk and it arguably paid dividends.

Spend all that money on 1-2 players and you may get a van Dijk or you may get a Ndombele.
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For me, one of the best ever windows was when we bought Hugo, Dembele, Vertonghen, Dempsey and Siggy. It can happen that we do buy well. The one we were talking above was just after that and those couple of players you mention joined up with 3 of these guys and formed half of Poch's team.

The worst was probably Aurier, Foyth, Llorente, Sanchez, Gazzaniga with the Walker money. Then Jose went and spent a load more and they were all gone again within a couple of years.

I guess the point I was making is that you have to moderate the incoming transfers and academy promotions with an equal amount of outgoings to keep the squad the same level. We've been terrible at that over the years. We've also been pretty bad at our allowing best youngsters to either fail fast or succeed in the first team setup. There's been no space for that.

My way of overcoming this is by buying less but buying quality. Not necessarily about spending big though. This transfer window in my mind should be about 21-26 year olds.
 
Lilbaz said:
Wirtz was this summer. As i said over the last 5 years we've spent comparibly to liverpool. Yes vvd was big money. Richarlison wasn't cheap, johnson, solanke, porro, ndombele, lo celso, sanchez (€42m).
They spent their money efficiently. We haven't.
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I agree with you. We should spend our money more efficiently, and buy fewer but more proven players in order to push on.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
This is what I’m driving at. We’ve had at least two situations (Kane and Bale) where we’ve had a big windfall. Certainly with the Bale money we went for quantity, and typically we have to when signing young players because you need to spread the odds on how many are going to ‘hit’.

And maybe that’s all we can do with our turnover relative to Liverpool. But I feel like with the best stadium and the best training ground and the highest ticket prices and whatever headroom we may have from a PSR perspective, there is scope to improve.
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I think there is always scope to improve. There are 2 extremes though. At one end of the spectrum you improve your worst squad player. At the other end there is buying the elite players. I think our best approach has been buying the younger guys like Eriksen or Modric who eventually become your best player.

I still think our biggest problem has been not slowing down the number of signings and creating more opportunities in the squad. We've not been great at offloading players. A recent example is Davies. I know we all love and respect Ben, but he shouldn't really have got the last 2 contract extensions in my mind. He should have left 4-5 years ago and been upgraded.
 
Lilbaz said:
Yet our best buys have been less proven. Modric, bale, walker, dele, berba...
We need to identify quality.
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I think the less proven buys end up being great when they are more malleable and fit into a system where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. And it might get us some of the way there to having an occasional title challenge to keep going the way we always have.

I am just not sure there is any way around the fact that to consistently be a title challenging team, you need proven players.
 
DeanoAustin said:
On the Bale money, fair enough, we did go for quantity. And there was a fair bit of brick in that quantity. But there was also Christian Eriksen who became one of the most important cogs in the team that challenged for the league and arguably the best Spurs side in my lifetime. We also got Lamela who, while less successful, was a decent buy (as was Chadli to a smaller extent). We spread the risk and it arguably paid dividends.

Spend all that money on 1-2 players and you may get a van Dijk or you may get a Ndombele.
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Yeah I don't think the Bale money was badly spent. I do think we have suffered a consistent issue under ENIC of being a couple of quality players away from pushing and us never getting them. Redknapp famously wanting a couple of players to make a title push, which with the way he got us playing I don't doubt he could have and instead he ended up with who was it, Saha and some other squad filler? With Poch he wanted a couple of specific players to kick on and instead we went in a different direction. Now we have a squad that lets be honest whilst talented is not great, and now we are back in the CL if we want to be competitive could really do with a couple of experienced quality difference makers - not more of the 'In a couple of years he will be really good' players. People will always refer back to the Poch years, but football has moved on since then, there are more competitive teams at the top end and the spending power has massively ramped up and PSR has done little if anything to slow that down.

Any transfer carries no guarantees of success, but it would be nice to at least try. But as has been said previously, the type of signings that are required to really make an impact are not going to happen under this ownership and I don't see them selling up anytime soon so all we can do is sit and hope that a) A load of the big boys fudge themselves up b) A load of our signings magically turn into superstars (which is obviously the route we are going down with the talented youngsters recruitment) ....
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Yeah, to be clear I am NOT ‘anti Levy’. I’m also not anti ENIC in the sense that people say they are ‘cheap’ or whatever such nonsense. I actually think the people who are running the anti ENIC campaigns would have a lot more success if they actually understand what they are protesting against, rather than the caricature they have built up in their minds. ‘Profit over Glory’ and other such nonsense is extremely dumb and easy for ENIC to combat.

I am simply anti remaining as a top 4-6 club rather than a title challenging club. I want to take that next step. It probably requires different owners. I don’t blame Levy, I don’t even blame the current owners. I think they’ve done a great job, consistent with their strategy to get us to this point. I just want to keep pushing on. Otherwise other clubs will continue improving around us. I know that it isn’t Levy as an individual that is keeping us there, and I know he’s doing the job he’s basically been asked to do.
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Couldn't agree more. New stadium or not we are only going to tread water with them. But regardless, Levy has done a great job overall and has more than delivered on most metrics....
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
It wasn’t just those two, but they were statements that allowed them to push on.

And now…Kerkez. Ekitike. Wirtz in one summer. They made a big push, and now they’re locking in their position.
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They have
They can do that because they didn’t spend any money last summer and can spread these deals over two windows
They are also selling players for decent money
It’s been the Achilles heel for us, United and Arsenal… woeful selling
The issue is unless you stay at the top too you have to sell more
Or sell your ladies team
 
Bedfordspurs said:
They have
They can do that because they didn’t spend any money last summer and can spread these deals over two windows
They are also selling players for decent money
It’s been the Achilles heel for us, United and Arsenal… woeful selling
The issue is unless you stay at the top too you have to sell more
Or sell your ladies team
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They don't pay their chairman top dollar either. Its a culture of putting football results first. Levy is distracted with other grand schemes.
 
metalgear said:
They don't pay their chairman top dollar either. Its a culture of putting football results first. Levy is distracted with other grand schemes.
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Their pseudo chairman is worth a fortune
he is paid out through the group (Fenway) and is already £B

I never ever get the focus on the chairman’s wages
He is an owner of the club and takes a salary rather than a dividend

For me it’s the weakest gripe to have TBH

There are many other issues
 
Just seen Millot is going to Atletico for €23m
He would be a great alternative to MGW from what little I’ve seen
Dynamic and aggressive whilst being a ball player
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Their pseudo chairman is worth a fortune
he is paid out through the group (Fenway) and is already £B

I never ever get the focus on the chairman’s wages
He is an owner of the club and takes a salary rather than a dividend

For me it’s the weakest gripe to have TBH

There are many other issues
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its about corporate culture. if you have the chairman setting targets that ignores on pitch results and higher than peers, it follows that his fellow directors on the board will also follow suit.

i agree that there are many other issues and chairman salary shouldnt be a factor - but levy could have received less salary pay but didn't. imagine the message he'd sent to the rest of the staff if he'd rejected it on the basis of footballing performance.
 
metalgear said:
its about corporate culture. if you have the chairman setting targets that ignores on pitch results and higher than peers, it follows that his fellow directors on the board will also follow suit.

i agree that there are many other issues and chairman salary shouldnt be a factor - but levy could have received less salary pay but didn't. imagine the message he'd sent to the rest of the staff if he'd rejected it on the basis of footballing performance.
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There are many metrics you can use but using that logic would mean he can pay himself a huge bonus now for winning a trophy and getting back into the CL…

Of course what is actually happening is the board agree an incentive package as a collective

Im more worried about players stealing a living TBH because they get paid even more and do much less in some cases
 
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