DHSF
Les Ferdinand
I was gonna say the EXACT same thing. Lennons best performances was in tandem with playing in front of Charlie.
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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread
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I was gonna say the EXACT same thing. Lennons best performances was in tandem with playing in front of Charlie.
Ah, I thought that when you said "come inside more often" you were referring to drifting inside without the ball, rather than cutting inside with the ball or making runs behind the full-backs without the ball.
I agree that the more he mixes it up the better - sometimes hugging the touchline and looking to beat his man with the ball, sometimes making runs behind the full-back without the ball, sometimes making runs inside without the ball etc.
glorygloryeze
Dimitar Berbatov
So it seems that Lennon's runs being made yesterday plus other team members' movements fully utilised Defoe in his new role as a lone striker.
It seems in tis new system there is less need for a 'big man up front to hold things up.' And most of the play being in the deck.
Was it almost....
.......Arsenal-esque....? 8-[
It seems in tis new system there is less need for a 'big man up front to hold things up.' And most of the play being in the deck.
Was it almost....
.......Arsenal-esque....? 8-[
raboner
Banned
wash your fercking mouth out.
glorygloryeze
Dimitar Berbatov
Answer the footballing/tactical question godammit!!!!
:lol:
:lol:
Wouldn't that make it a 4-3-3 then?
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Don't even bother trying......
ringo
Tim Sherwood
I think AVB likes a fluid central midfield where notionally there is defensive midfielder, playmaker and attacking midfielder, but in reality they can interchange fluidly depending on the situation. This means we may switch from 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-5-1- and other formations with a three man midfield throughout the game. He has also transitioned through a 4-4-2 as he introduces his subs. Not sure if that was tactical, or is part of a plan to boost Defoe's confidence.
Regardless of whether you rate Defoe as a lone striker (or whether he enjoys playing there), I have been very impressed with AVB's management of Defoe in that position. He is doing his best to build his confidence and trust, and leaving him on when he could sub him. Strikers need a run of games and I'm sure Defoe appreciates the opportunity.
Regardless of whether you rate Defoe as a lone striker (or whether he enjoys playing there), I have been very impressed with AVB's management of Defoe in that position. He is doing his best to build his confidence and trust, and leaving him on when he could sub him. Strikers need a run of games and I'm sure Defoe appreciates the opportunity.
Rock Strongo
dodgy Dave Goosegog
I think the players are like automobiles under AVB. You have your midfield three, a Fiat 500, a Toyota HiAce and a Nissan Patrol. These cars can all cover each other, even though the terrain can be brutal at times, the Fiat 500 can do the Patrol's job driving over big rocks or carry 60,000 bottles of water like the HiAce. Of course, the Patrol can also fit into a 6 feet wide parking space. The HiAce however cannot do any tasks asked, other than pulling 60,000 bottles of water.
Then you have your flank cars, a Maserati and a Ducati. The Ducati not being a car, can only be asked to do special tasks such as gliding through traffic really fast, if the driver is agile and smart. These vehicles operate well with a Fiat 500 if they are fixed with the same amount of nut bolts in the rims. However, this is often not the case. Somewhere along the lines, we need to rely on good mechanics to make things work. That's why we should hire that guy from the Bangla shop. LeeBoy, Lemur, Leepu? He is now our head of interchangeable parts that need honing, welding and spray painting. Even though he is not a good mechanic, he will get the job done somehow.
Now. Believe it or not, we bought a Peugeot 505 to sweep the floor at the back, when we already had an Alfa Romeo, and Ford GTO and some sort of South American car with a neat name. The Peugeot is sensible and will easily break down and cry, so we should hire a baker to fix it some croissants to enjoy in the back seat.
The race is like Paris - Dakar on steroids, which could lead to malfunction in the genitalia area. We've now hired Christian from embarrassing diseases to help with this problem. He drives a Prius, being the sensible doctor he is.
2-1: Seat Ibiza, Saab 900s (og) - Audi 80.
Then you have your flank cars, a Maserati and a Ducati. The Ducati not being a car, can only be asked to do special tasks such as gliding through traffic really fast, if the driver is agile and smart. These vehicles operate well with a Fiat 500 if they are fixed with the same amount of nut bolts in the rims. However, this is often not the case. Somewhere along the lines, we need to rely on good mechanics to make things work. That's why we should hire that guy from the Bangla shop. LeeBoy, Lemur, Leepu? He is now our head of interchangeable parts that need honing, welding and spray painting. Even though he is not a good mechanic, he will get the job done somehow.
Now. Believe it or not, we bought a Peugeot 505 to sweep the floor at the back, when we already had an Alfa Romeo, and Ford GTO and some sort of South American car with a neat name. The Peugeot is sensible and will easily break down and cry, so we should hire a baker to fix it some croissants to enjoy in the back seat.
The race is like Paris - Dakar on steroids, which could lead to malfunction in the genitalia area. We've now hired Christian from embarrassing diseases to help with this problem. He drives a Prius, being the sensible doctor he is.
2-1: Seat Ibiza, Saab 900s (og) - Audi 80.
Lennon's runs like that are nothing new at all. I can't believe anyone is suggesting it's down to a new system. This was typical Lennon. Ironically I was discussed BEFORE the game that Lennon is at his best cutting the ball back from the line.
I was a better performance but ultimately we won the game due to two very typical pieces of Spurs play where players did what they are best at. Lennon and Walker both made runs very typical of what they've always done for us and cut the ball back across goal.
No matter what tactics we employ we will get the best out of our players by playing to their strengths. That was why we won against Reading as both Lennon and Walker got to use their pace to get to positions where they could cut the ball back. If anything we saw the reality of football on Sunday. You can make all sorts of tactical changes but ultimately you need to use your players key attributes to your advantage.
The fact some people are trying to express a tactical influence on a game we won due to players doing what they have been for years and what they are good at, is exactly why I have little time for tactical discussion. It's plain crazy. The straight ball for Lennon to get in behind the defence is one of, if not, the most typical of Spurs moves since he's been at the club.
We've got good players out wide and they are very effective. We should revert to playing more diagonal balls and hopefully when the Hudd is fully fit we'll start to see this. Vertonghen should start doing what Dawson did, though he's got the ability to be much more effective. I think the longer AVB is in charge the more you'll see us reverting to type as it's just common sense that we look to hit the wide players early and play through balls in behind the defence for them to run onto whenever possible.
What's next? I Ade starts laying on knocks downs for the likes of Dempsey, Sig and Defoe, is that can be seen as down to a new system? If the Hudd hits a thunderbolt will that be down to tactical change? If Dembele drifts passed a few defenders and opens up space, is that a new thing, or his trademark?
I was a better performance but ultimately we won the game due to two very typical pieces of Spurs play where players did what they are best at. Lennon and Walker both made runs very typical of what they've always done for us and cut the ball back across goal.
No matter what tactics we employ we will get the best out of our players by playing to their strengths. That was why we won against Reading as both Lennon and Walker got to use their pace to get to positions where they could cut the ball back. If anything we saw the reality of football on Sunday. You can make all sorts of tactical changes but ultimately you need to use your players key attributes to your advantage.
The fact some people are trying to express a tactical influence on a game we won due to players doing what they have been for years and what they are good at, is exactly why I have little time for tactical discussion. It's plain crazy. The straight ball for Lennon to get in behind the defence is one of, if not, the most typical of Spurs moves since he's been at the club.
We've got good players out wide and they are very effective. We should revert to playing more diagonal balls and hopefully when the Hudd is fully fit we'll start to see this. Vertonghen should start doing what Dawson did, though he's got the ability to be much more effective. I think the longer AVB is in charge the more you'll see us reverting to type as it's just common sense that we look to hit the wide players early and play through balls in behind the defence for them to run onto whenever possible.
What's next? I Ade starts laying on knocks downs for the likes of Dempsey, Sig and Defoe, is that can be seen as down to a new system? If the Hudd hits a thunderbolt will that be down to tactical change? If Dembele drifts passed a few defenders and opens up space, is that a new thing, or his trademark?
tynesidespur
Terry Yorath
Wookie - I've named those 3 as a "catch-all" but I can very much remember that Keane used to play Lennon in in that manner on a regular basis. One of the goals we scored up at Middlesbrough back in 2007 under Jol was done by getting Lennon in behind his full back before returning it to Keane who put it away. Similarly we went to Emirates Marketing Project under Ramos when we won with 10 men and I seem to recall Lennon being played in by (I think) Jenas who squared for Defoe to score. It was a very regular feature and often the main way to get Lennon into a game. It was around long before AVB and certainly before Charlie. Charlie was definitely the most effective at getting Lennon in though.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
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Kingdawson
Banned
Joey that's a fantastic post mate.
Huddlestone looks to play that same pass, as did Modric. I showed a clip in the match day thread prior to the game in which Modric played that pass to Lennon. Huddlestone tries to play that pass a lot and not just for Lennon. Most of his Youtube clips are of his goals, but some of his passes are shown and he plays the same pass in between the CB and LB against Young Boys.
Also it should be pointed out that Sigurdsson can be seen playing the same sort of pass to Dyer in one of his Swansea clips (1.50 posted below).
Basically our first goal was about as good an example you can get of players just playing their normal game. Lennon loves to get in behind and Gylfi has the vision to play those kind of passes. It's a common move used by all teams and certainly by us and for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeJwnMJ6YY
Basically our first goal was about as good an example you can get of players just playing their normal game. Lennon loves to get in behind and Gylfi has the vision to play those kind of passes. It's a common move used by all teams and certainly by us and for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeJwnMJ6YY
Steed Train
Clive Wilson
This thread is terrible. Too many words , not enough ostriches