Cristian Romero

[parklane1]

He is ace when he wants to be, he has also averaged 18/38 games for the 4 seasons he has been here
For me, that is not good enough

Fair points, but i still think under Dzerbi he can get him playing to his full ability and if he can do that we will have a top player.

 

[Raziel]

Fair points, but i still think under Dzerbi he can get him playing to his full ability and if he can do that we will have a top player.

He would walk into a starting position on a United team that just came 3rd, and probably easily be their best defender.

Still think he's gone, we are going to have two incoming CBs (early) plus Vuskovic to navigate, doesn't make sense unless we knew we had sales.

 

[parklane1]

He would walk into a starting position on a United team that just came 3rd, and probably easily be their best defender.

Still think he's gone, we are going to have two incoming CBs (early) plus Vuskovic to navigate, doesn't make sense unless we knew we had sales.

Your are probably right about him going, sad though imo.

 

[Muttley]

The PGMOL have it in their heads that he is a dirty player because he is a dirty player. As others have mentioned, he’s got away with many fouls in the past, the refs just aren’t willing to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. Romero and Spurs should worry about Romero cleaning up his act, if he does that and the refs still send him off then perhaps we’d have a gripe. But pointing the finger at everyone else won’t solve the problem.

But PGMOL should not have any pre-conceived thoughts of this type. Their job is to be neutral, step on that pitch and uphold the laws of the game. What happens in your logic when PGMOL have it in their heads that Van Dijk isn't a dirty player. Do they make a different decision for Romero as they would for VVD when they do exactly the same thing?

This is the crux of the matter in hand.

 

[Raziel]

But PGMOL should not have any pre-conceived thoughts of this type. Their job is to be neutral, step on that pitch and uphold the laws of the game. What happens in your logic when PGMOL have it in their heads that Van Dijk isn't a dirty player. Do they make a different decision for Romero as they would for VVD when they do exactly the same thing?

This is the crux of the matter in hand.

But we have enough evidence that this does happen, in the same weekends, in almost frame by frame comparisons, and the data backs it up.

- VVD and Gabriel get away with murder compared to Romero
- Smaller players on Spurs side (Gil, Xavi) simply don't get the calls/protection say Grealish got at City, or Saka gets for Scum, lets not even talk about Vic.

I would hesitate to say we are being cheated against, but when one team gets no penalties for them all season (and no away penalties in 3 seasons) while 13 other teams in the league have gotten at least 4, 7 have got more than 6, there is an issue.

Make no mistake, ref's are affected by SAF/Wenger, now Arteta/Klopp's tirades and letters to PMGOL, the real corruption/incompetence question lies around VAR, even if the on field ref is under pressure by occasion/crowd/club, the whole point of VAR is an official not even at the ground, with time and resources to make the right call, ye somehow, time and time again, they fudge up.

 

[Jurgen the German]

But PGMOL should not have any pre-conceived thoughts of this type. Their job is to be neutral, step on that pitch and uphold the laws of the game. What happens in your logic when PGMOL have it in their heads that Van Dijk isn't a dirty player. Do they make a different decision for Romero as they would for VVD when they do exactly the same thing?

This is the crux of the matter in hand.

Officials are supposed to be neutral, but they're human beings and, like everyone else, they'll inevitably have biases and preconceived notions. If referees view Romero as a player who can be reckless, then it's ultimately on Romero to change that perception. I'm not saying that's right, but it's the reality of how these things work.

The truth is that Romero has earned his reputation. It hasn't come out of nowhere. Over the years, he's made a number of needless, stupid and overly aggressive challenges that have left him with very little benefit of the doubt when incidents are reviewed. Referees and VAR officials are always looking at factors such as excessive force and endangering an opponent, and Romero's history is inevitably going to influence how his actions are interpreted.

I agree that players like Van Dijk and Gabriel don't always receive the same level of scrutiny, and that inconsistency is frustrating. But pointing to other players isn't really an answer. Whether or not they're judged fairly doesn't change the fact that Romero has developed a reputation for making reckless challenges, and he's only got himself to blame for that.

 

[robp135]

Fair points, but i still think under Dzerbi he can get him playing to his full ability and if he can do that we will have a top player.

Id love that to be the case. But he has played for Nuno, Conte, Ange, Frank and he has always has the same issues.

 

[robp135]

But PGMOL should not have any pre-conceived thoughts of this type. Their job is to be neutral, step on that pitch and uphold the laws of the game. What happens in your logic when PGMOL have it in their heads that Van Dijk isn't a dirty player. Do they make a different decision for Romero as they would for VVD when they do exactly the same thing?

This is the crux of the matter in hand.

That will change with Gary Neville supporting him.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

So refs have never notice Joelinton is a nasty thug, not reckless or lacking self control, he just likes to hurt people.

 

[Raziel]

I agree that players like Van Dijk and Gabriel don't always receive the same level of scrutiny, and that inconsistency is frustrating. But pointing to other players isn't really an answer. Whether or not they're judged fairly doesn't change the fact that Romero has developed a reputation for making reckless challenges, and he's only got himself to blame for that.

But without consistency, the system is never going to be perceived as working.

It amazes me how ignorant the PMGOL has to be to not understand, their inability to provide consistent results (don't care if I agree, just consistent) is what ultimately creates conspiracy theories, corruption/bias noise.

Without that consistency, we are basically saying to Romero, "you need to be more controlled than VVD, Gabriel, Joelinton, Cash, whoever, not because it's the right thing to do or it's the rules, but because it's the rules for you in a Tottenham shirt" and that is utter fudgery

 

[Jurgen the German]

But without consistency, the system is never going to be perceived as working.

It amazes me how ignorant the PMGOL has to be to not understand, their inability to provide consistent results (don't care if I agree, just consistent) is what ultimately creates conspiracy theories, corruption/bias noise.

Without that consistency, we are basically saying to Romero, "you need to be more controlled than VVD, Gabriel, Joelinton, Cash, whoever, not because it's the right thing to do or it's the rules, but because it's the rules for you in a Tottenham shirt" and that is utter fudgery

Again, I don't disagree with that point, but it doesn't change the fact that Romero has developed a reputation for being a dirty player, which seems to be the part many people are reluctant to acknowledge or accept.

Whether other players get away with similar challenges is a separate discussion. The inconsistency of officiating doesn't negate Romero's track record of reckless tackles and unnecessary aggression.