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***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United, Mon May 11th, 8pm, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium***

Mr Gogolak said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-spurs-taxpayers-london-stadium-b1281935.html

You have got to be kidding me. When there's already a huge debate on refereeing, it's not a very clever move for the London mayor to go out of his way and basically say 'it would be better for everybody if Spurs were relegated'.
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It’s never ending. I’d be pinning this brick all over the dressing rooms, training grounds, eating areas and players headboards to gee them up. Unreal
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
So true on all counts.

I also simply do not understand this idea of not wanting to over turn the on field ref, it’s clearly what is happening and I don’t understand why. Ref fraternity protecting each other, but again, why? Who cares! The ref is a human being, no one expects them to be a robot who never makes mistakes, just to officiate the game and keep it moving as fast as possible. But we have the technology to get decisions right, not to be bogged down in the process. And we just aren’t using it. It’s just mental to me.
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Problem is you have different types of human beings. You can just tell by the PGMOL selection process that they aren't picking the right characters for the job in hand. We've had so many arrogant, egotistical, attention seeking pricks being selected in these roles that nobody should be surprised on the outcome. If I think back to everyone from Howard Webb himself through to guys like Mike Dean all along to the current idiots like Taylor and Jones. You can just tell that the recruitment process is flawed. They need to be looking for Collina's.

Very happy though that our manager is finally doing his bit to put these guys back in their box. Telling the world that the referee was anything but calm in an important match was spot on. It was almost telling Webb that he's expecting a Collina on the pitch next time, not a Mike Dean or Rob Jones.

The net is circling on Howard Webb's team in my opinion. It will absolutely explode soon, but I have a feeling that is not going to help THFC. They could easily go down because of PGMOL. I called it months ago.
 
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Daisuk said:
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Sky sports were adamant there was a touch so they glossed over it on the night (how many replays of this compared to the Tel pen? Barely any), I think that’s swayed opinion and people were just imagining a touch because they were told there was one, after all he does get bloody close.
 
So they said he got a touch on the ball but never actually showed a slow mo of the touch at the time???? I was too stressed at the time and didnt even notice
 
He did get a touch on the ball, however if we use the language of PGMOL/VAR from the arsenal v WHU game it was not "impactful", whereas his contact on maddison certainly is.
It's a penalty.
 
Rorschach said:
Well there you go. That is the angle which confirms no contact with the ball

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The biggest scandal for me was that it was dismissed by VAR in under 20 seconds when other decisions have been agonised over for minutes. They can't have looked at it more than once, maybe twice before giving a decision.

I see they are also now basically admitting that they have let grappling in the penalty box get completlely out of hand and there will be a review. Good that they held back on it until Arsenal basically have the title secured, thus not impacting their main 'tactic.'

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The problem is that margins have become so thin in the PL that refereeing calls/mistakes can be the difference between safety and relegation or being champions/runners-up. Over the course of the season, there's very little to separate us from West Ham and yet one club will be playing in the Premier League next season, while the other will be in the Championship.

Oddly enough, the (financial) stakes make a relegation battle much more important than the title race. Winning the league is only a matter of prestige in the days of Champions League football.

I think it's only going to get worse. Refereeing has always caused much debate in England, but social media have made polarising opinions a thing in our daily lives. When you read a hundred times a day that your club has been cheated, it's easy to give in. Even saw pictures of Monday's ref with a Spurs shirt, with Leeds fans claiming we should have had two red cards.
 
Mikey10 said:
The biggest scandal for me was that it was dismissed by VAR in under 20 seconds when other decisions have been agonised over for minutes. They can't have looked at it more than once, maybe twice before giving a decision.

I see they are also now basically admitting that they have let grappling in the penalty box get completlely out of hand and there will be a review. Good that they held back on it until Arsenal basically have the title secured, thus not impacting their main 'tactic.'

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Exactly. They didn't check it. The club should kick up an absolute stink over this.

The grabbing thing in the box is a joke. If it is illegal, then every corner is a penalty.
 
I don’t think there’s been a season long conspiracy against us. We are where we are for a whole host of reasons but I just don’t buy into the fact we’ve been targeted by officials, despite some poor officiating.

I do however, think we find ourselves as one of two teams that can be relegated and hypothetically if we were given that penalty and scored, and then got a point at Stamford bridge then the last game of the season could potentially have nothing riding on it for anything in the league. There’d be no jeopardy for any team. Arsenal could be crowned champions by then, top 5 all sorted and relegation sewn up. The tv companies who pay the big money for the rights will want something to make a story for the last game so that they can sell advertising space during the shows. I do think they can exert pressure to sway things for the drama.
 
clownfoot said:
I don’t think there’s been a season long conspiracy against us. We are where we are for a whole host of reasons but I just don’t buy into the fact we’ve been targeted by officials, despite some poor officiating.

I do however, think we find ourselves as one of two teams that can be relegated and hypothetically if we were given that penalty and scored, and then got a point at Stamford bridge then the last game of the season could potentially have nothing riding on it for anything in the league. There’d be no jeopardy for any team. Arsenal could be crowned champions by then, top 5 all sorted and relegation sewn up. The tv companies who pay the big money for the rights will want something to make a story for the last game so that they can sell advertising space during the shows. I do think they can exert pressure to sway things for the drama.
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The idea we could get relegated because of officiating is utter nonsense. We have had some terrible decisions against us, so have other teams. West Ham fans were whinging the other week that they keep getting decisions going against them because the PL doesn't want Spurs to go down - All clubs are experiencing the same poor officiating, it's not some secret little club plotting our downfall.

Some of these incidents have not helped us whatsover, but we are where we are because we have been brick. And it's no coincidence that the worse we have become, the more Victim FC it has got on here....
 
Mr Gogolak said:
The problem is that margins have become so thin in the PL that refereeing calls/mistakes can be the difference between safety and relegation or being champions/runners-up. Over the course of the season, there's very little to separate us from West Ham and yet one club will be playing in the Premier League next season, while the other will be in the Championship.

Oddly enough, the (financial) stakes make a relegation battle much more important than the title race. Winning the league is only a matter of prestige in the days of Champions League football.

I think it's only going to get worse. Refereeing has always caused much debate in England, but social media have made polarising opinions a thing in our daily lives. When you read a hundred times a day that your club has been cheated, it's easy to give in. Even saw pictures of Monday's ref with a Spurs shirt, with Leeds fans claiming we should have had two red cards.
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Which changes by the way if we start putting the laws of the game in the middle of this topic at every level. Everything hangs off it, and the system if broken because there is no desire to make it the most important thing, especially the refs. The commentators are just as bad, and the players and managers know how to work around laws not being enforced.

If we got through that phase, we could even start putting the spirit of the game back as the main focus. Then we could see some real improvements if the laws evolve or even head back to what they originally were.
 
Muttley said:
Which changes by the way if we start putting the laws of the game in the middle of this topic at every level. Everything hangs off it, and the system if broken because there is no desire to make it the most important thing, especially the refs. The commentators are just as bad, and the players and managers know how to work around laws not being enforced.

If we got through that phase, we could even start putting the spirit of the game back as the main focus. Then we could see some real improvements if the laws evolve or even head back to what they originally were.
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It's not looking very likely though as FIFA keeps on tweaking the rules (Wenger in particular). They obviously want to bring football closer to American sports, while using the controversy and so-called 'drama' to sparkle online debate. As far as I can tell, they either don't care about what's happening at league level or they're pleased with how things are going on.
 
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