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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Baleforce said:
What a depressing day.

Not everyone who voted for reform is a racist, but, no, no, actually, let’s be honest here, they are.
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Not everyone who votes Conservative is a racist. Much harder to make that case for Reform though when they stand on such an overtly anti immigration platform.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Not everyone who votes reform is racist. Every racist is likely to have voted Reform though.
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I honestly believe they are, it's a party led by an open racist, with many openly racist candidates, some of whom are now councillors.

Anyone who supports that, is accepting of racism, and therefore, racist.

I am disgusted by them.
 
Baleforce said:
I honestly believe they are, it's a party led by an open racist, with many openly racist candidates, some of whom are now councillors.

Anyone who supports that, is accepting of racism, and therefore, racist.

I am disgusted by them.
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Massive generalisation, they have candidates from various backgrounds? Are they racist? I do think though they do have some complete idiots on board both in the party and in votes.
 
Robspur12 said:
Who on Earth replaces Starmer though? There is not a big list of suitable candidates. Don't get why more wasn't made of the fact that if Reform were in Government, we would be up to our next necks in a futile war with Iran, making the country less safe. Oh and their ex -leader in Wales is serving time for taking bribes from the Russians! Reform went for Labour using tactics highlighting national not local politics. Honestly whoever, the media team is in Labour, need to be fired, I don't remember them laying a glove on Farage and his not so merry men. This is why Tony Blair had to get close to Murdoch. Other wise you are finished.Blair understood the importance of a compelling media narrative; Starmer's team doesn't.

As for politics as a whole, no one is willing to tell the electorate the hard truths about the situation the country is in especially in the lead up to elections. Quite the opposite in fact, they bribe them with freebies which they can't deliver on in office.

So many people think "well I'm no better off under this lot so what have I got to lose with Reform?" Plus Reform promise to cut "red tape" (by that they mean safeguards like moderation of social media) and send immigrants packing. It's a tempting message, peddling fear, anger and self protection which is easier than actual solutions to our problems.

I mean Starmer is not great but he is not as venal as Johnson or Farage or as batbrick crazy as Liz Truss. Yet his personal approval ratings are in the gutter.

Now is the time for greater scrutiny of Reform's policies by the other parties. Plus highlighting the antics some of their members is important too.
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I think the country is almost ungovernable at this point. There is so much rage that those in charge are simply a conduit for all of the anger.

It’s one of the main reasons why I think a Reform party with a fair amount of local power across the country now will largely crash and burn before the next election.
 
Mikey10 said:
I think the country is almost ungovernable at this point. There is so much rage that those in charge are simply a conduit for all of the anger.

It’s one of the main reasons why I think a Reform party with a fair amount of local power across the country now will largely crash and burn before the next election.
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I agree it is. The problem is the electorate.

Hear me out.

We are fudged, there are so many issues going on globally that limit what can happen in and to our economy, things are going to be very hard for most people for a while yet, people can't accept this so give their vote to the charlatans who claim easy fixes.

The irony is, that it is reform, who caused a good proportion of the economy's malaise by assisting on Brexit a decade ago, before their rebrand.

Until we accept that this is a mess that will take years to fix, and give time to a group of honest politicians that actually want to address the issues, nothing will change.

In addition to that, there is clearly a huge number of people who voted yesterday who don't know how the system works, it was not a referendum on the Labour government, it was about local issues, and local representatives, that is where choices should have been made.

I've seen a lot of comments along the lines of, Starmer has to go, anybody who went into a voting booth yesterday and was thinking about Kier Starmer shouldn't have had their vote counted, he was not on the ballot. He was not relevant yesterday, that is not how council elections work.
 
Baleforce said:
I agree it is. The problem is the electorate.

Hear me out.

We are fudged, there are so many issues going on globally that limit what can happen in and to our economy, things are going to be very hard for most people for a while yet, people can't accept this so give their vote to the charlatans who claim easy fixes.

The irony is, that it is reform, who caused a good proportion of the economy's malaise by assisting on Brexit a decade ago, before their rebrand.

Until we accept that this is a mess that will take years to fix, and give time to a group of honest politicians that actually want to address the issues, nothing will change.

In addition to that, there is clearly a huge number of people who voted yesterday who don't know how the system works, it was not a referendum on the Labour government, it was about local issues, and local representatives, that is where choices should have been made.

I've seen a lot of comments along the lines of, Starmer has to go, anybody who went into a voting booth yesterday and was thinking about Kier Starmer shouldn't have had their vote counted, he was not on the ballot. He was not relevant yesterday, that is not how council elections work.
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There are easy fixes though. Expand green energy (triple it) so we can unplug from the chaos and evil of Russia, America and the Middle East. And effectively tax the 165 people who own 50% of the wealth of the country. The only thing stopping those two things is the entrenched power of the Epstein Class.
 
Gutter Boy said:
There are easy fixes though. Expand green energy (triple it) so we can unplug from the chaos and evil of Russia, America and the Middle East. And effectively tax the 165 people who own 50% of the wealth of the country. The only thing stopping those two things is the entrenched power of the Epstein Class.
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Yeah, simples.
 
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