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Gazza said:
Why has Reform managed to get this going in the first place ? We only have to look at the failings of the two political parties before them that has created this vacuum.

I don’t even vote. But honestly the stupidity of saying anyone that votes for Farage is racist is just plain stupid.
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Immigration is massively unpopular. In quite literally every country in the world. The list of countries where the typically right leaning party has moved further to the right, in particular on immigration, or an alternative party that's further to the right, is longer than the Spurs injury list.
 
Gazza said:
Being coherent and having a certain level of English should be the minimum requirement. It’s utterly stupid how far the left are taking this.

Not everything said about things like this is racism … how about some further thought and logic about the entirety of this? Instead of just screaming and pointing
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Absolutely. On the flip side, it frustrates me when English people go abroad and make little to no effort to speak the lingo, even just learning the basics can take 5 minutes to google and can go a long way in placating the locals; “hello” “goodbye” “good morning” “please” “thank you” “can I have the bill please?” Not really asking a lot to learn those before travelling. So it works both ways. You should have a basic grasp of the language of the country you live in.
 
robp135 said:
I don't think its comparable if thats what your getting at.

I have absolutely no issue with controlled immigration and asylum. I am an immigrant myself although I understand my experience is not similar to your typical immigrant to the US.

Its just problematic when its not controlled and they those coming into a particular country do not speak the language and are not prepared to adopt and overarching culture.
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I am not comparing it, I am asking for your view
 
Jurgen the German said:
Absolutely. On the flip side, it frustrates me when English people go abroad and make little to no effort to speak the lingo, even just learning the basics can take 5 minutes to google and can go a long way in placating the locals; “hello” “goodbye” “good morning” “please” “thank you” “can I have the bill please?” Not really asking a lot to learn those before travelling. So it works both ways. You should have a basic grasp of the language of the country you live in.
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Mate European and even as far as Asian countries and beyond but the Brit’s to shame at their own language unfortunately especially when we go abroad and expect others to speak English.

However we are not talking about a holiday we are talking about being figures of the state.

Unfortunately anyone that has been voted in that cannot really speak English is only communicating with people of that community and not the general society overall.
 
Looks like Tories will probably regain Enfield which could mean the end for the Women's academy at Whitewebbs as they were opposed to it.

Greens have taken Waltham Forest and in early counting Greens are taking seats from Labour in Haringey , wonder what that will mean for the club if they win.
 
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Gazza said:
Mate European and even as far as Asian countries and beyond but the Brit’s to shame at their own language unfortunately especially when we go abroad and expect others to speak English.

However we are not talking about a holiday we are talking about being figures of the state.

Unfortunately anyone that has been voted in that cannot really speak English is only communicating with people of that community and not the general society overall.
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With all due respect, does this impact your local politics and what are you voting for that impacts your life?
 
Gazza said:
Mate European and even as far as Asian countries and beyond but the Brit’s to shame at their own language unfortunately especially when we go abroad and expect others to speak English.

However we are not talking about a holiday we are talking about being figures of the state.

Unfortunately anyone that has been voted in that cannot really speak English is only communicating with people of that community and not the general society overall.
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Which is a fair enough viewpoint but as of now, no one has demonstrated that this is the case.
 
Mikey10 said:
Big gains in a sense; however, Reform are down from 41% of the vote in local elections they contested last year to 33% in yesterday's elections. That is quite a significant drop, and suggests that as people see Reform in power they are not always keen on them (e.g promises of no council tax rises actually metamorphising into Reform-led council rises of 9%).

Also, the turnout yesterday was 43%. It is likely to be at least 60% in a GE; local elections are always a chance to kick the governing party and those motivated to vote largely want to do that.

That said, I don't think Labour have a chance at the next GE unless Starmer (who I personally think has done a decent job, but has communicated terribly what the party have done) goes.
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Who on Earth replaces Starmer though? There is not a big list of suitable candidates. Don't get why more wasn't made of the fact that if Reform were in Government, we would be up to our next necks in a futile war with Iran, making the country less safe. Oh and their ex -leader in Wales is serving time for taking bribes from the Russians! Reform went for Labour using tactics highlighting national not local politics. Honestly whoever, the media team is in Labour, need to be fired, I don't remember them laying a glove on Farage and his not so merry men. This is why Tony Blair had to get close to Murdoch. Other wise you are finished.Blair understood the importance of a compelling media narrative; Starmer's team doesn't.

As for politics as a whole, no one is willing to tell the electorate the hard truths about the situation the country is in especially in the lead up to elections. Quite the opposite in fact, they bribe them with freebies which they can't deliver on in office.

So many people think "well I'm no better off under this lot so what have I got to lose with Reform?" Plus Reform promise to cut "red tape" (by that they mean safeguards like moderation of social media) and send immigrants packing. It's a tempting message, peddling fear, anger and self protection which is easier than actual solutions to our problems.

I mean Starmer is not great but he is not as venal as Johnson or Farage or as batbrick crazy as Liz Truss. Yet his personal approval ratings are in the gutter.

Now is the time for greater scrutiny of Reform's policies by the other parties. Plus highlighting the antics some of their members is important too.
 
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Oh but the left....
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Don’t forget the chap who said something about the rape of a Sikh woman being good, he won his seat as well. Probably voted for by people saying we need to keep women and girls safe.

Edit to include a pic, Rochford, Essex being the area.
 

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