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what has happened to the transfer section?
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Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
Both played pivotal parts in our CL qualifying year to be fair.
Both played pivotal parts in our CL qualifying year to be fair.
They are great players but all of them were overpriced.
£18 million for a midfielder of Carrick's type, back in 2006, was well above par.
£31 million for Berbatov was likewise. Did Utd get £31 million of value? Did they, fudge!
And £35 million for Modric..........he hasn't even looked like a £15 million player thus far.
You say that we spent the money badly. And yet we have a far stronger squad now than we did before selling Carrick or before selling Berbatov.
It's debatable whether or not we have a stronger squad since selling Modric.
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
The 5th highest goalscorer in the PL, in his first season, at the age of 21/22, playing for a crap side. Pretty easy to see why, harder to see why not.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
Granted. But he is a beast in the air so he would certainly give us an outlet and some variation. A striker who wins headers for fun for the wingers to aim at, which we don't have at the moment.
I do believe he will get better. I mean Suarez's finishing was appalling last season, look at him now.
Granted. But he is a beast in the air so he would certainly give us an outlet and some variation. A striker who wins headers for fun for the wingers to aim at, which we don't have at the moment.
I do believe he will get better. I mean Suarez's finishing was appalling last season, look at him now.
Over the years, Utd sold Beckham, Stam, Van Nistelroy and, of course, Ronaldo.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
Firstly, while I wasn't actively calling for them to be replaced, a team always needs to evolve and improve. If we had seen the opportunity to improve on either one of them that season, we should have taken it like a shot. In fact, we basically did, we bought VDV to replace Defoe.
But this is where I feel people are missing part of my point. I don't want young unknown strikers to replace our main strikers straight away. However, we didn't need a leftback when we bought Bale, or BAE. We didn't need a rb when we bought Walker. We didn't need a cm when we bought Huddlestone etc. We don't buy this 20 year old striker from the Lithuanian league to immediately replace Adebayor, we buy him so that in 3 years time, he's ready to be 1st choice. The same way we've built the rest of our squad.
And I'm not saying we shouldn't have signed Ade btw, especially if the player instead is some youngster. Let's not beat around the bush, Ade has been appalling this season but none of us, even those who accepted what fans of other clubs said about what he can be like, could have believed he'd put in a season like this.
Firstly, while I wasn't actively calling for them to be replaced, a team always needs to evolve and improve. If we had seen the opportunity to improve on either one of them that season, we should have taken it like a shot. In fact, we basically did, we bought VDV to replace Defoe.
But this is where I feel people are missing part of my point. I don't want young unknown strikers to replace our main strikers straight away. However, we didn't need a leftback when we bought Bale, or BAE. We didn't need a rb when we bought Walker. We didn't need a cm when we bought Huddlestone etc. We don't buy this 20 year old striker from the Lithuanian league to immediately replace Adebayor, we buy him so that in 3 years time, he's ready to be 1st choice. The same way we've built the rest of our squad.
And I'm not saying we shouldn't have signed Ade btw, especially if the player instead is some youngster. Let's not beat around the bush, Ade has been appalling this season but none of us, even those who accepted what fans of other clubs said about what he can be like, could have believed he'd put in a season like this.
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
earlier on i stated that i thought the mistake was not replacing Berbatov that summer - huge fudge up. it was one season which set us back a lot, i don't think we can do anything but speculate over what actually happened - my guess is that up until the last moments of that window Levy didn't plan on selling - but Berbatov forced our hand and our lack of preparation in terms of a replacement cost us big. i think since then Levy has been fairly militant on making sure we aren't in a similar position again, contracts etc - first summer of Modric rumors - strong statement saying he wouldn't be sold - following year transfer to Real is sorted fairly early.
but back on topic of this 6 years business - for me it's one season (very costly all the same) that one season when Frazier Campbell and Pav was our strike force. from then on we have been doing ok in the striker department (Crouch/Defoe/Adebayor) and now this season we have a striker playing well below himself - we move in to the summer looking to replace him.
but we haven't been fudging this position up for 6 years straight
earlier on i stated that i thought the mistake was not replacing Berbatov that summer - huge fudge up. it was one season which set us back a lot, i don't think we can do anything but speculate over what actually happened - my guess is that up until the last moments of that window Levy didn't plan on selling - but Berbatov forced our hand and our lack of preparation in terms of a replacement cost us big. i think since then Levy has been fairly militant on making sure we aren't in a similar position again, contracts etc - first summer of Modric rumors - strong statement saying he wouldn't be sold - following year transfer to Real is sorted fairly early.
but back on topic of this 6 years business - for me it's one season (very costly all the same) that one season when Frazier Campbell and Pav was our strike force. from then on we have been doing ok in the striker department (Crouch/Defoe/Adebayor) and now this season we have a striker playing well below himself - we move in to the summer looking to replace him.
but we haven't been fudging this position up for 6 years straight
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
Crouch scored the most important goal of that season, but besides that he was, well Crouch. We were lucky that we always had a striker in good form at some point during that season. Even though Adebayor scored 17 in the league last term, The minimum he should have got was 20 when you consider the chances we created.
Crouch scored the most important goal of that season, but besides that he was, well Crouch. We were lucky that we always had a striker in good form at some point during that season. Even though Adebayor scored 17 in the league last term, The minimum he should have got was 20 when you consider the chances we created.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Last season Yakubu was the 5th highest goalscorer in the PL playing for a crap side. As was Ba in his first season. As was Adebayor.
I don't rate him because i've watched Villa games this season.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
only the Ronaldo deal left them weaker though
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
In what was about his 10th season at that level? Benteke showed some very accomplished touches the other night, you must have very high standards. Perhaps we could persuade Messi to abandon the sinking ship.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
I think the striker position has been our worst area in comparison to our competitors since Berbatov left. That doesn't mean that they are bad players but for me, that is fairly obvious.
I think the striker position has been our worst area in comparison to our competitors since Berbatov left. That doesn't mean that they are bad players but for me, that is fairly obvious.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
And Ba showed some very accomplished touches last season. As did Adebayor.
I don't rate him because his technical game isn't good and he takes a lot of chances to score. He's a physical beast and good in the air. He would excel at Stoke in my mind.
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
you're right, this is how we should do things - it's how Levy wants to do things but it wasn't particularly how Redknapp wanted to do things and as the club moved on from the DoF set up (a period when that was how we worked the transfer market) and back to a solitary manager, we had to work the way he wanted. i believe now we are going to go back to buying up young talent with potential to stepping up a level or two over the coming windows and hopefully forwards will be part of the agenda
you're right, this is how we should do things - it's how Levy wants to do things but it wasn't particularly how Redknapp wanted to do things and as the club moved on from the DoF set up (a period when that was how we worked the transfer market) and back to a solitary manager, we had to work the way he wanted. i believe now we are going to go back to buying up young talent with potential to stepping up a level or two over the coming windows and hopefully forwards will be part of the agenda
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
I agree to an extent. But this January was the biggest fudge up IMO. We had only two strikers, one of which is streaky, the other has been dreadful and was going to miss vital games due to playing in the ACN. Then predictably, Defoe gets injured against West Brom. And it wouldn't have been a stopgap, Defoe is what 30 now? Adebayor clearly isn't the answer. And AVB just had to sit there and take it because he knows Levy gave him a chance by hiring him, but deep down, he must have been praying Levy would sign someone.
If we don't buy a striker in the summer, I really wouldn't blame Bale for handing in a transfer request.
I agree to an extent. But this January was the biggest fudge up IMO. We had only two strikers, one of which is streaky, the other has been dreadful and was going to miss vital games due to playing in the ACN. Then predictably, Defoe gets injured against West Brom. And it wouldn't have been a stopgap, Defoe is what 30 now? Adebayor clearly isn't the answer. And AVB just had to sit there and take it because he knows Levy gave him a chance by hiring him, but deep down, he must have been praying Levy would sign someone.
If we don't buy a striker in the summer, I really wouldn't blame Bale for handing in a transfer request.
Hootnow
Jermaine Jenas
Re: **Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**
I wouldn't really call that 'trying', that is just normal transfer activity. If you told me to get the club some strikers, I could come up with a similar list, every single one of them bar one played in the PL. Pav was a panic buy and a very clear one at that. There are few examples more clear of buying due to a player's tournament performance.
I've never said this striker will turn us into title challengers. I don't even think someone like RVP could do that tbh, there are other pressing issues and the club before we could do something like that. I just want a striker who can a) get involved and b) not go half the season without scoring. Preferably someone who is youngish.
Knowing us, we'll spend most of this summer chasing Damio again, before realising that a) he doesn't want to come, b) Inter don't want to sell and c) we can't afford him before settling for Arouna Kone and declaring it a decent window.
p.s. AVB, if you're reading, I trust you. Please buy some good strikers. Cheers.
I wouldn't really call that 'trying', that is just normal transfer activity. If you told me to get the club some strikers, I could come up with a similar list, every single one of them bar one played in the PL. Pav was a panic buy and a very clear one at that. There are few examples more clear of buying due to a player's tournament performance.
I've never said this striker will turn us into title challengers. I don't even think someone like RVP could do that tbh, there are other pressing issues and the club before we could do something like that. I just want a striker who can a) get involved and b) not go half the season without scoring. Preferably someone who is youngish.
Knowing us, we'll spend most of this summer chasing Damio again, before realising that a) he doesn't want to come, b) Inter don't want to sell and c) we can't afford him before settling for Arouna Kone and declaring it a decent window.
p.s. AVB, if you're reading, I trust you. Please buy some good strikers. Cheers.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I'd take all three back now (at a reduced price of course).
Spurs have to take a gamble on players that are not the full package as we cannot compete with the top table yet. Those players whose stock has fallen or has some deficiency in their game which can be worked on or compensated for, that is the market we are in. Occasionally someone comes along who ticks all the boxes and we get lucky. Say Lloris or VDV might fall into that category. And if say another box ticker comes along I can see Levy pushing the boat out and breaking our transfer record. The argument that we don't big money is beginning to ring hollow. We have serious green coming for with the TV deal and these deals are never the full amount up front anyway.
Players I'd like us to have a go for are Lukaku, Isco and Remy. With Rose and Townsend to rejoin the fold I'd be happy with that lot.