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Sandro - Beast

Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

Sefnot, out of interest, which players do you rate? (so far Sandro and Lennon are off the team sheet it seems)

dembele and gareth bale and walker is getting close to being good enough and parker when fit but i fear father time may be catching him up...Verts look ok but he got done in pre season by a straight ball in the US which really wirried me about his pace..this ne keeper is mustard ad kaboul is almost tthere.

the others -we can all do better.ekotto, lennon, sandro ade gallas, livvermore all worry me in their own way for differing reasons.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

I will say this and always will. Sandro is not as good or effective than Parker. We miss Parker and would not have drawn our home games with him in the team. I hope AVB sees this (before he is sacked) when Parker gets back. If he does not put him in the team then he deserves what he gets.

i agree bbut fear this portuguese language connection with sandro the alleged monster destroyer
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

Its not to say Sandro is not a good player, he is. But Parker is older knows the prem more and is a better player at this moment in time. So much more effective than Sandro.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

I think that the issue is that our good players are rarely as great as we think they are and our bad players are never as poor as we make out.

What has happened with Sandro is a classic case of fans over rating a new player because of what they are not (in this case the less glamorous Parker). Sandro is what he has always been; a good player with the potential to be great. We need to be patient and realistic.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

There are also lots of other factors that affect a player's performance other than their ability. Manager's instructions, team tactics, style and formation, other team members, confidence, personal life, injuries, fitness etc etc
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

People say "what good teams has Sandro done well against".. but what good teams has Parker done well against in a Spurs shirt?.. fudging terrible against Arsenal and even got sent off, dire against Chelsea, overshadowed by Sandro in the game. Didn't do much apart from get stepped on by Balotelli against City.. He's good against the likes of QPR, Blackburn etc. last year and i appreciate that!
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

Sandro is a good player, but imo isn't the clear #1 choice yet if we went with 1 holding midfielder. Has the attributes, but needs to make it consistent.

Right now it seems he isn't in the greatest form.
 
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Right now, I'd play Parker. We need a motivator, and Scott fits the bill. Bit of a media favorite as well, so he'll take some of the pressure off AVB's back. And he's got a good (and often underestimated) range of passing on him, which will help while our team adjust to the loss of Modric and VdV.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

Right now, I'd play Parker. We need a motivator, and Scott fits the bill. Bit of a media favorite as well, so he'll take some of the pressure off AVB's back. And he's got a good (and often underestimated) range of passing on him, which will help while our team adjust to the loss of Modric and VdV.

agreed..parker can also hold and shield the ball under pressure..which I am afraid sandro cant do...in fact given that sandro is brazilian his skill level is quite poor...in his youth and at international levvel he has not had so little time on the ball as he gets in the PL..
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

http://spursstatman.com/2012/07/13/parker-or-sandro-statistical-analysis/

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According to the stats, Sandro is more effective in the tackling department but Parker has better positioning. A bit inconclusive perhaps though, as Scotty played more games, but still it gives some insight. Love them both though, give us a lot of bite in midfield but obviously need a more creative partner alongside = Modric/Dembele.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

http://spursstatman.com/2012/07/13/parker-or-sandro-statistical-analysis/

parkersandrocomparison.png


According to the stats, Sandro is more effective in the tackling department but Parker has better positioning. A bit inconclusive perhaps though, as Scotty played more games, but still it gives some insight. Love them both though, give us a lot of bite in midfield but obviously need a more creative partner alongside = Modric/Dembele.


What in those stats claims that?


Edit: Also lacking interceptions.. minutes played would be nice too.. :p
 
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Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

He is strong, good in the air, one of the best tacklers I have seen play for Spurs. His positional sense isn't the best and his lack of discipline often seems him out of position.

The one thing I am hoping he will learn from Parker is support play in possession. Parker's off the ball movement is fantastic and really helped us last year because he was almost always on the move towards the person with the ball (in his zone of the field) offering up a simple pass if required. And when he did receive the ball, nothing fancy just keep it moving. The other thing Parker was excellent at, which Sandro still isn't the best at, is receiving the ball under pressure. Certain macarons used to moan about him doing his little turns in the middle of the park but I can only recall him doing it once and losing possession. Every other time we retain possession. I recall Sandro losing the ball under pressure three times from the first half alone yesterday.

But I genuinely believe that Sandro has the attributes to be better than Parker, and IMO Parker is the second best defensive midfielder I have seen at the Lane (Carrick being numero uno, and I don't regard Perryman/Roberts as central midfielders even though they played there with good effect on occassions!).

Excellent post, totally agree.

Except maybe I think that his passing is sometimes counterproductive, when he passes it straight back to where it came from and sometimes plays people into trouble.

I do think he's fantastic at keeping possession under pressure though.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

Problem at the moment is players like Sandro, Bale etc miss the man mangement of Arry.
 
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What in those stats claims that?


Edit: Also lacking interceptions.. minutes played would be nice too.. :p

That's not in the pic, but says on the site: "Another key quality of a defensive midfielder is their ability to intercept the ball. In this area Parker is superior, making an interception every 27.8 minutes compared to every 32.9 minutes from Sandro. This may be be a result of improved positioning from Parker, a product of his experience at the top level."

Yup, minutes played would come in handy.
 
Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

That's not in the pic, but says on the site: "Another key quality of a defensive midfielder is their ability to intercept the ball. In this area Parker is superior, making an interception every 27.8 minutes compared to every 32.9 minutes from Sandro. This may be be a result of improved positioning from Parker, a product of his experience at the top level."

Yup, minutes played would come in handy.


Fair enough. I could probably work out the minutes played, but i can't really be bothered :p
 
Re: Sandro - Legend

Legend in the making, indeed.


Sandro: From Brazil to Chigwell

After two seasons of mixed success, the 23-year-old is now feeling at home – both in the Essex suburbs and the Spurs midfield, he tells Jack Pitt-Brooke
Jack Pitt-Brooke
Saturday 06 October 2012

It is one of the handful of times that Sandro bypasses his Portuguese-speaking representative to answer directly in English when we speak this week. "England is my home," he beams, from the front room of his house in Essex.

This is a room where Sandro spends much of his time, a room which represents his roots in Brazil but also his two years in London so far. There is a Brazil flag on one wall but a dartboard on another. There are photographs of him in action for Internacional, celebrating winning trophies, including the Copa Libertadores, and, of course, playing for Brazil yet photos of him at Tottenham, including two framed pictures of training with David Beckham – who Sandro says is a "good guy" – from early last year.

There are Brazilian music DVDs, the recent documentary Senna, but also two books – one autobiography, one lexicon – by Bobby George, the darts player and Essex resident whose son is a close friend. There is also a well-thumbed English-Portuguese dictionary.

Chigwell is a long way from Riachinho, the small town outside Brasilia where Sandro Raniere Guimaraes Cordeiro grew up, as the son of a bricklayer who worked desperately hard to fund his son's dream. But Sandro is relaxed in his new environment, confident he has the right balance for his football, and enjoying the company of both friends and family over from Brazil but also the locals he meets.

"I'm very happy now," he says, this time through his representative, Joel Pannick. "Obviously I miss Brazil but London is my home. It has helped me a lot that it is a very affectionate community, particularly the Tottenham fans. Whenever I am out and people recognise me on the street, they are very affectionate towards me, which helps me firstly feel at home but also motivates me."

Sandro does not live far from where Tottenham used to train, at Spurs Lodge, until they moved to Enfield last month. This is a nice area but it is certainly not the sort of mansion-strip chosen by many footballers. It is a community, and one that the 23-year-old Sandro is increasingly a part of.

"I am speaking more English every day, which helps me," he says. "Every time I walk down the road I know people at the newsagents, at the barbers, at restaurants which is nice because it's a lovely atmosphere and particularly here in Chigwell it is a very, very calm area. I feel very comfortable here, it means I can relax when I am away from the training ground.

"After training I don't have anything scheduled in most days. I come back tired, rest a little bit, play a bit of music." Which explains the instruments in his front room: a drum set, a bass and an acoustic guitar (on which he plays "The Scientist" by Coldplay before we speak).

"I often have friends or family over from Brazil which helps a lot," Sandro adds. "When the weather is good some of the other Spurs boys, like Michael Dawson and Tom Huddlestone, like to come round and we have a traditional Brazilian barbecue, which takes longer, up to four or five hours to prepare, so we have time to play cards and relax as well. Heurelho Gomes is also a very close friend, he used to live just down the road, but he recently moved about 20 minutes away."

Although Sandro does enjoy his time away from football, there is no doubting his ferocious commitment to success and trophies this season. This is his third year at Tottenham, and in each of the first two there have been good runs of games but also injuries stopping him from imposing himself over the course of a year.

"In my first season, particularly towards the end of the year when I had a good run of games, in the Champions League I was playing very well," Sandro reflects. One of his other framed pictures shows him tackling Zlatan Ibrahimovic during that famous victory over Milan in the last-16. Sandro played more games last season but could not sustain a rhythm while Spurs' form started to slip towards the end of the campaign.

"Last year it was frustrating because I'd have a run of a few games but then every time I had to keep re-starting, from the beginning."

Sandro hopes that this season is the one where he overcomes these problems and shows everyone precisely what he can do: "I am looking after myself now better than ever, I feel good at the moment, and I am confident that – touch wood – if I can avoid problems, avoid injury, this is the year when I can play the whole season, rather than have a good run of games and then pick up a silly injury. Because I feel that I can play well and help the team, and that's what I want to do in order to help the team win titles."

It is not language that always sounds natural at White Hart Lane. But Sandro has always been a winner, for the Brazil Under-20s and for Internacional, where he won the state championship twice, as well as the Copa Sudamericana and Copa Libertadores, the South American equivalents of the Europa League and Champions League respectively. Sandro is keen to replicate such success over here.

"It has always been a personal ambition to win. In the history of my career – win, win, win – always a champion, that is always the ambition. This year, more than ever, there is a general feeling among the whole squad, this is what they talk about. To win every game they go and play. That is the ambition. There is a belief and a confidence about the squad at the moment. With the group of players, the back-room staff, if everyone keeps working hard and pulling in the same direction it is achievable."

There is a strong sense that this year is going to be different from the last two. Sandro moves back into English to promise that he is going to attack this season "like a tiger". He has certainly begun well, looking fitter than ever, starting all six of Spurs' league games, asserting himself around midfield, seizing the ball back from any opponent who dares enter his territory with it. With Mousa Dembélé he has already formed a natural partnership; quicker, smarter, tougher and sharper than most midfields in England.

"At the moment, physically I am feeling very good, I am very strong. It is the best run of games I have had since joining the club. And I feel as if I am really heading in the right direction, as is the team."

Confidence is understandable as we meet just three days after Tottenham's famous win at Manchester United. This was a game in which Spurs seemed to shed their former selves, playing with a bravery not all sides of theirs have shown at Old Trafford. It was a new assurance which Sandro revels in, and which he put down to the manager, Andre Villas-Boas.

"Before the game we had spoken a lot about this, about how a lot of teams go to Old Trafford and the moment overcomes them and they are overwhelmed. But the instruction, particularly from the manager, was: 'Go out there and play your normal game. It's a game of football.'

"There was a lot of talk in the build-up about the history of this fixture, how it had been so many years since Tottenham won. But we all went out on to the pitch with this in our minds: 'seize the moment, play the game, win the game, nothing to fear'."

Sandro is obviously enjoying the Villas-Boas era, and believes he is taking Spurs forward. "It is clear tactically that our manager is one of the best. We all knew that from his history before he joined the club and what he has achieved and every day we are learning tactically, as you can see from the recent performances. Especially we are very well prepared for every match.

"It helps all the players a great deal that the manager speaks perfect English, perfect Spanish, Portuguese, French, and so everybody understands very clearly the message. Personally, it is a big help that the manager speaks to me in Portuguese. When I first joined the club, I didn't speak any English and it was difficult to fully understand, even with the help of people translating for me, exactly what the messages were at times. It was frustrating.

"The big difference now is especially during a game, if there is a 30-second break, I can go over to the substitutes' bench to get a direct message from the manager, if he wants me to do something differently or pass on a message to one of the other players, I can now understand and react in the moment.

"I've got a good relationship with him, I'm very much enjoying working with him. He is one of the best out there, not just for me but for all of the team. And it helps that if there is something that is not going right we can approach him, or he can come and speak to us.

"Steffen Freund [the Tottenham assistant coach] is great to have around. He is a fantastic motivator. Every day that he comes to the training ground he is vibrant, bubbly, enthusiastic and we all feed off that. It is a great help that he was a player at Tottenham, so he knows the club inside out. Also he played in the same position so we are together a lot of the time, talking tactically about playing that position and about playing there for Tottenham."

For Spurs, as for Sandro, everything now seems to be in place: "The performances are improving. The aim with the manager is to create history for Tottenham, so we want to keep building on performances like last weekend, when we beat United at Old Trafford, but in order to really create history, our aim is to win the league."

My other life:

"When I have finished training with Tottenham I don't have anything planned usually but I like to play music on my guitar. I often have friends or family over from Brazil. I'm very close with a lot of the other Brazilian players over in London, the Chelsea boys David Luiz, Ramires and Oscar. And Andre Santos and now Fabio and Julio Cesar at Queen's Park Rangers. At Tottenham, Heurelho Gomes is a very close friend. When the weather is good some of the other Spurs boys, like Michael Dawson and Tom Huddlestone, like to come round and we have a traditional Brazilian barbecue, which takes up to four or five hours to prepare, so we have time to play cards and relax as well. I like English food, but prefer Brazilian."
 
Re: Sandro - Legend

For those who want to play Parker over Sandro I hope you all payed attention at the Euros. Its very easy for good skillful players to bypass Parker, I fear having him in the team against the likes of Mata, Hazard and Oscar.
 
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