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Sandro - Beast

Re: Is sandro as good as popular opinion suggests?

Yes, without a doubt. Just watch him. For a spell last season he could have been MoM in every game.

Even coming into the team without a pre-season to learn the new system, he has been the pick of the midfield by a long way this time round.
 
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parklane1 said:
Sandro is just turned 23 and has played a grand total of 53 games for us, he is still trying to adapt to the Prem lge but in my mind is doing well. Compere that to say Hudd who has played nearly 200 games and we still talk about his potential.
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so he is so good becaus he is better than Hudd?...........come on man...I need more than that to accept he is good enough for a CL push
 
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never understood this sandro love in. doesnt impress me
 
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Mumorn said:
Brilliant premier league performances:

Sunderland (A) 2010/2011.. won 2-1
Wolves (A) 2010/2011.. drew 3-3
West Ham (H) 2010/2011.. drew 0-0
Chelsea (A) 2010/2011.. lost 2-1
Liverpool (A) 2010/2011.. won 2-0
Birmingham (H) 2010/2011.. won 2-1
West Brom (A) 2011/2012.. won 3-1
Sunderland (H) 2011/2012.. won 1-0
Chelsea (H) 2011/2012.. drew 1-1
Norwich (A) 2011/2012.. won 2-0
Chelsea (A) 2011/2012.. drew 0-0
Swansea (H) 2011/2012.. won 3-1
Blackburn (H) 2011/2012.. won 2-0
Bolton (A) 2011/2012.. won 4-1
Aston Villa (A) 2011/2012.. drew 1-1
Fulham (H) 2011/2012..won 2-0

I just gave you about 16 games where Sandro has made an impression on the game and been very good whether its tackling or passing it quickly for the attack. Considering he's made 42 appearences for us (most off the bench), thats a very good return from him. Other games is more of a team performance being poor. I still think he was our best player against Saudi Sportswashing Machine this season and one of, if not our best against West Brom. He was also on his own in the middle today against Norwich and did his and Livermore's job for him and STILL got benched.

This is all obviously without mentioning his TWO monstrous performances against AC Milan in the Champions League. Two of the best performances i have ever seen from a Spurs player.
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thats beter.thanks. i think your assessment of him being so good in all those games is again way over the top but i appreciate you really like him...i think we need to see alot more personally before we can say he is the man...persoanly i am more underwhelmed every time i see him because he ddoesnt get better....
 
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Mumorn said:
Who the fudge cares what a pundit thinks :lol:
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thats silly . i think you can be cynical f individual pundits...or thickones like reid or dowie...but i am talking about the weight of punditry...I dont hear pundits raving abiout him which would usually be confirmation of the vviews in our own spurs bubble
 
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sefnot said:
HI

My perception from when people list their "preferred team" the name of sandro seems to be in 99% of them.

Obviously he is better than Livermore (who I hate and has no business being near our first team) but I am somewhat disturbed that sandro is being given a status I dont think he warrants. I think at full fitness parker is a far more effectivve player. sandro has his qualities but positionally he seems a bit lost, he isnt this "enforcer" some state, his passing isnt great..and he seems off the pace. sure he turns out for brazil b ut we allknow the demands of the EPL differ from international football...am imissing something because to me he hasn't yet provento be all that..and certainly not irreplaceable once parker is fit or if AVB decides to go 4-4-2 with dembele and 1 other say sigurdssen...

interetsed because he doesnt get discussed that much.
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i'm glad you have highlighted this, because its exactly what happened to the likes of nelsen and saha.

those two were very decent squad players but because they played ina period when our form and confidence was low and our manager was eyeing another job...people labelled them brick beyond belief..which is a wrong way to assess someone unless you have a short turn around period to gain something from that person.

sandro didnt have a good game in a team thats developing and trying to find its feet, and currently in bad form .....so what happens? we get a thread saying that sandro isnt that good

I am more pleased with the fact that this is an oasis of a thread which means that more often than not unless your seeing something at the games that i am not seeing here on the box you wont have much cause to start threads like this which basically means the thread topic is a tad premature and needs a significant bigger sample size...whereas on the other hand sandro playing GREAT has alot more information to back up its claims

in short i'm calling a bit of a knee jerk here. sorry mate
 
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sefnot said:
thats beter.thanks. i think your assessment of him being so good in all those games is again way over the top but i appreciate you really like him...i think we need to see alot more personally before we can say he is the man...persoanly i am more underwhelmed every time i see him because he ddoesnt get better....
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Once again, please take your WUMery somewhere else.
 
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As is common on this forum, a good player is over rated as a great player. Sandro is a good player, but is nowhere near as great as a lot of people rate on this forum. But he is certainly good enough for us, certainly good enough for a top four team and IMHO good enough for a Premiership title challenging team.

We're also reaching that age tipping point. On this forum people love young foreign players (if they weren't signed from an existing Premiership team). Sandro is now 23 and is fast approaching "peak" ability and yet because the expectations about him a couple of years ago was that he'd be world class, our Roy Keane etc people are becoming disappointed that he isn't living up to the unrealistic and unfair hype from when he was first signed.

If he chooses to stick around (and AVB wants him which is looking more and more doubtful) then I think Sandro will be our DM for years to come.
 
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africanspurs said:
i'm glad you have highlighted this, because its exactly what happened to the likes of nelsen and saha.

those two were very decent squad players but because they played ina period when our form and confidence was low and our manager was eyeing another job...people labelled them brick beyond belief..which is a wrong way to assess someone unless you have a short turn around period to gain something from that person.

sandro didnt have a good game in a team thats developing and trying to find its feet, and currently in bad form .....so what happens? we get a thread saying that sandro isnt that good

I am more pleased with the fact that this is an oasis of a thread which means that more often than not unless your seeing something at the games that i am not seeing here on the box you wont have much cause to start threads like this which basically means the thread topic is a tad premature and needs a significant bigger sample size...whereas on the other hand sandro playing GREAT has alot more information to back up its claims

in short i'm calling a bit of a knee jerk here. sorry mate
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he has been with us since september 2010...i think its a fair question and thread...maybe instead f just saying he is "GREAT" perhaps you could elaborate why he is better than Parker?p- never mind better than the likes of mikkel or maybe you think Parker is SENSATIONAL
 
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The Moonlit Knight said:
As is common on this forum, a good player is over rated as a great player. Sandro is a good player, but is nowhere near as great as a lot of people rate on this forum. But he is certainly good enough for us, certainly good enough for a top four team and IMHO good enough for a Premiership title challenging team.

We're also reaching that age tipping point. On this forum people love young foreign players (if they weren't signed from an existing Premiership team). Sandro is now 23 and is fast approaching "peak" ability and yet because the expectations about him a couple of years ago was that he'd be world class, our Roy Keane etc people are becoming disappointed that he isn't living up to the unrealistic and unfair hype from when he was first signed.

If he chooses to stick around (and AVB wants him which is looking more and more doubtful) then I think Sandro will be our DM for years to come.
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you say he is ood enough...i just havvent quite seen this personally...i have to be honest..to be a DM for many years if he chooses i would want to see alot more personally
 
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Sefnot, out of interest, which players do you rate? (so far Sandro and Lennon are off the team sheet it seems)
 
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sefnot said:
you say he is ood enough...i just havvent quite seen this personally...i have to be honest..to be a DM for many years if he chooses i would want to see alot more personally
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He is strong, good in the air, one of the best tacklers I have seen play for Spurs. His positional sense isn't the best and his lack of discipline often seems him out of position.

The one thing I am hoping he will learn from Parker is support play in possession. Parker's off the ball movement is fantastic and really helped us last year because he was almost always on the move towards the person with the ball (in his zone of the field) offering up a simple pass if required. And when he did receive the ball, nothing fancy just keep it moving. The other thing Parker was excellent at, which Sandro still isn't the best at, is receiving the ball under pressure. Certain macarons used to moan about him doing his little turns in the middle of the park but I can only recall him doing it once and losing possession. Every other time we retain possession. I recall Sandro losing the ball under pressure three times from the first half alone yesterday.

But I genuinely believe that Sandro has the attributes to be better than Parker, and IMO Parker is the second best defensive midfielder I have seen at the Lane (Carrick being numero uno, and I don't regard Perryman/Roberts as central midfielders even though they played there with good effect on occassions!).
 
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sefnot said:
he has been with us since september 2010...i think its a fair question and thread...maybe instead f just saying he is "GREAT" perhaps you could elaborate why he is better than Parker?p- never mind better than the likes of mikkel or maybe you think Parker is SENSATIONAL
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positional awareness on the defensive end.
Tracking playing
Timing challenges
Work rate
strong
decent ariel challenge (added this after i saw MKs)
doesnt over elaborate on his role

there isnt anything i see parker doing thats better than sandro on the defensive end. the only thing i could give parker is the lateral movement speed, and also speed over the first 10 to 30 yards (which sandro more than makes up for with his positioning)

its not a good thread cause it would have existed alot more over the 2 years he's been with us. this is happening during a bad run of form over 3 games with new management..and then it turns up. why hasnt anyone picked up on how bad you're alleging him to be?
 
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sefnot said:
eh? dores it make u uncomfortable to debate points?
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Well, you're not really debating are you? Adding a question mark to everything people write here is not the same as discussing a topic, and thats all you do, replying to everybody with 'Is he really though?' or 'I need more than that' is not debating.
 
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I will say this and always will. Sandro is not as good or effective than Parker. We miss Parker and would not have drawn our home games with him in the team. I hope AVB sees this (before he is sacked) when Parker gets back. If he does not put him in the team then he deserves what he gets.
 
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