Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It is depressing that another 2.5% of your life will be spent effectively in the EU. Life's too short, the future needs to start now
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Politics, politics, politics
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It lists the cost of public spending/debt and signs of the end of austerity policy as reason 1, above Brexit-related uncertainty
milo
Jack L. Jones
It's pretty bricky reading all round and we now have the lowest Moody's rating we have ever had. It's going to cost us a lot of money and effectively means that seven years of austerity was for nothing.
I think that it would be a mistake to take the reasons in isolation. If the economy wasn't stalling because of Brexit, increased spending would have less impact.
It is a vote of no confidence in the government and its fiscal policy and approach to Brexit.
The answer is simple then - spend less.
It's what the government should be spending all its time trying to do anyway.
milo
Jack L. Jones
There isn't the political will to do that and the government isn't strong enough to see it through. The coalition with the DUP would collapse for a start. The government wasn't even strong enough to stick to its budget for a couple of weeks when it had a majority.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Vote Leave because when our credit rating is downgraded for the second time in fifteen months, Brexit-related will only be listed second on the reasons why. Not quite the sunlit uplands we were promised.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
But that's what they're doing - starting it now.
We can't just get out right now and consequences be damned. That would mean we'd just be further back then we are now.
That's what happens when people vote Conservatives that don't know how to conservative
milo
Jack L. Jones
That's what happens when the Conservative Party tears itself apart over Europe and puts itself ahead of the country.
I think if we'd had a proper conservative in charge (someone like a Thatcher) then they'd have had the strength to go through this without faltering.
May is just a weak leader whose politics aren't suited to the party or the country. It's not just Europe, she'd be failing the test on any major decision.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Thatcher never would've held the referendum and would never leave the EEA, she spent too much time setting it up. I also think that Thatcher would've understood the importance of the UK standing with and supporting the former Eastern Bloc members.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The biggest problem that we have right now though is that May triggered Article 50 without a clear idea of our objectives or eventual destination. Even six months later, the Cabinet cannot agree on this. I agree with you that Thatcher would have been unlikely to have done that @scaramanga
milo
Jack L. Jones
milo
Jack L. Jones
"Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.
"Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it.
"It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real." - Margaret Thatcher 1988
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
The government its currently engaged twisting itself into knots over a pointless, yet extremely challenging, anti-EU trade treaty. It should be focused on making UK services better and more efficient. But it's trying to find a way to do the impossible- get a good deal out of Brexit.
The uk government doesn't control Brexit, the EU has all the cards. We pay billions to have less say in trading rules and worse trading terms than we have in the EU.
Farce is too light a word to pin to this waste of time.
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monkeybarry
Jack Jull
I apologise for the impending popcorn shortage
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
And these fundamentals haven't changed.
Yes there are other areas of the world that have seen higher growth rates. But like Germany, we should be able to tap into them from within the EU customs Union. Why can't we?
The most basic premise of Brexit - to leave a free trade area that's on our door step - to the myriad detail of it - just doesn't make sense. Sadly the country was sold something that wasn't. A few public school boys vision of an old colonial Britain, and they used immigration as a means to manipulate, like some school politics game. Fittingly, only the elite who will be able to bend UK laws to their financial ends will benefit from Brexit.
Being able to buy African fruit or Canadian wheat just won't offset all the exporting jobs that will go or well have to pay to retain. the greater costs of imports, the loss of control over trading regulations and the loss of unity with, and access to, the worlds most advanced national cultures, is a loss to the UK.
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monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Brexit itself requires an increase in spending.
I very much doubt many that voted Brexit voted to reduce the services they receive in life - that is what spending less means. (yes there are spurious costs that could be cut - but they are too close to political power and need major governance change instead).
Cuts actually means poorer public service and poor wages and working conditions In the public sector.
Redressing the imbalance in the way corporations treat the UK should be the starting point - generate extra money to spend rather than cut off our nose.
We are at the point at which capitalism has reached its most powerful (hopefully!) imbalance between corporation and society - a change to that needs unilateral change.