Initially the EU couldn't get a constitution agreed so it labelled it a treaty to get that done. If your opinion is that the EU wouldn't have further downgraded that treaty to a document that didn't require the UK to sign, had we refused, then we will have to agree to disagree. We can only judge people by their actions and those of the EU to that point were underhand and undemocratic. It's my firm belief that they would have continued in that manner until they had the result they wished for.
What they did in Ireland reminds me of dodgy scientists P-hacking. Just repeat the referendum again and again, stopping when you have the answer you initially decided you were going to get.
Luckily we don't need to rely on opinions as it did not go that far the UK government signed up to the treaty what the EU may or may not have done if they did not is irrelevant - If you want to argue that the UK Government forced the constitution onto the English people you may have a point, it was not possible for the EU to.
I agree redoing the referendum for Ireland was crap, was disgusted at the time not sure what it has to with the EU forcing anything on to the UK.
You are pointing to your belief of what they would have done rather than what they did. If the UK didn't sign up to the Treaty of Lisbon they may have forced it through other ways, but they didn't have to as the UK signed up to it.
If the constitution had been called a constitution (as it was in material) then it would not have been approved. Gordon Brown's actions were disgusting and he should also be accountable for what happened, but that doesn't excuse the EU of what they did either.
The EU did all they could to push this through, I did not like the way they did it. Do you want to discuss this or the point that the EU has forced legislation on to the UK?
We had to agree - it does not matter what they may had done if we didn't as we did.
Basically what every successive Government has done, blame the EU when its their own decision / policy.
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