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So the DUP's inherent bigotry, homophobia, climate change and evolution denial should disbar them from mainstream politics, full stop. But.

It's important not to let the DUP's general grossness overshadow just what a colossally irresponsible move this is from TM. It's INSANE.

I sound like a broken record but please please please can we talk about how powersharing has collapsed in Northern Ireland?

This is a list of the current members in the Northern Irish Executive in Stormont.

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It's been like this for three months. This crisis dates back to the Cash for Ash scandal involving current head of the DUP Arlene Foster.

It's a frankly unbelievable story of sleaze at the top of NI politics. It would be difficult for most governments to deal with.

Add in the inherent sectarian tension in Northern Irish politics, plus heightened fears over a hard border post-Brexit, and it's paralysing.

Sinn Fein pulled out of the executive in protest at Arlene Foster, triggering elections which eventually gave SF an increased vote share

They had six weeks after that point to form a government. SF demanded Foster quit as head of DUP, she refused. Again. Things got more tense.

The deadline for forming government passed. At that point either ANOTHER election had to be called, or you revert to Direct Rule.

At this point Westminster woke up. The idea of Northern Ireland slipping back to Direct Rule months before Brexit negotiations = NOT GOOD.

So at the end of March James Brokenshire went over to NI to generally just ask people to get along/be totally useless. It didn't work.

He said there was no appetite for another election (true) and no appetite for Direct Rule (also true). So they just extended the deadline.

Keep in mind, this is end of March. We've just triggered Article 50 and we're currently having a totally pointless argument about Gibraltar.

Should we have been having a discussion about the steady erosion of the peace process in Northern Ireland instead? YEAH MAYBE.

The deadline is shunted on further. Talks between SF & DUP are going nowhere. But at least the UK government is aware of the problem now.

Things are tense, complicated and messy. You know what the situation doesn't need? A snap general election.

Suddenly Northern Ireland is facing the prospect of ANOTHER election, for Westminster this time, while dealing with a constitutional crisis.

So the deadline gets shunted until after the election. The parties are now negotiating and campaigning at the same time. Great stuff.

And so to yesterday. SF get 8, DUP 10. The more moderate SDLP, UUP and Alliance fall away. Northern Ireland is more polarised than ever.

Before today, TM's government has been criminally negligent of Northern Ireland. Think about how little you've heard about NI this election.

It was only ever brought up in relation to Corbyn and the IRA. There was NO discussion of Stormont impasse, or even the border post-Brexit.

You'd think we'd have learnt our lesson after the EU referendum and actually thought about the consequences of a Hard Brexit in NI. But no.

So here we are, June 9th, 10 days before Brexit negotiations, with no Stormont government and mass confusion over the NI Brexit border.

We have three months of inaction. We have the DUP and SF in a stalemate. The deadline is approaching again. Direct rule looms.

These problems will only be solved by careful, strategic leadership from Westminster, working with both parties to deescalate the situation.

What Theresa May has done today has destroyed any hope of that. At one of the most dangerous times in its recent history, May has done this.

Any pretense that the UK government could be neutral in this is gone. Their entire existence is now dependent on the DUP.

Direct rule is not an option because the DUP has an unrealistic amount of sway over Westminster. It throws the balance of power totally off.

Arlene Foster, who should have resigned months ago for her rank corruption, now holds more power over the UK government than...anyone?

The next deadline, by the way, is June 29th. But now the DUP is in bed with the UK government, will James Brokenshire have any authority?

Has anyone in gov thought about what happens when THAT expires? Why should Sinn Fein treat the UK gov as a neutral arbiter after that?

Power-sharing relies on a neutral UK government. If the government is beholden to one side in power-sharing, it is fatally undermined.

It's hard to see what happens in N Ireland without power-sharing or without direct rule. Either it will float on, pushing that deadline...

...or the whole thing is irrevocably damaged and the system implodes. For what, a two seat majority?

I may be wrong - there may be some incredible fudge that Tories/DUP/SF have planned. Maybe the DUP are hoping the SF will just accept it.

I pray TM has a plan beyond "keep the DUP onside, stay in power". If she doesn't, she's thrown Northern Ireland into chaos for nothing.

FYI: I am NOT an expert on this. I have probably made countless errors and generalisations & my Northern Irish friends are probably furious

If you want someone seriously in the know can I recommend @SiobhanFenton who has been doing brilliant work on Northern Ireland constantly


I agree with the gist of this and the sentiment but I think you are being s bit TOT, Arlene foster the most powerful person in UK politics, really?
 
It's a pretty damning reflection on Northern Ireland that the only two parties now are the DUP and Sinn Fein. Even though they are still sectarian, the UUP and SDLP were much more palatable. What on earth has happened to the middle class in that country?

In terms of the Tory deal though, does anyone think Corbyn and McDonnell wouldn't bring Sinn Fein into their coalition if they had the numbers and SF didn't have their absenteeism policy?
Not sure they would, but two wrongs don't make a right.
 
BoJo going for PM according to the Times and Mail on Sunday, via 5 Live.

The timing is wrong. 2 years time would be the right moment - after Brexit and with 3 years to deliver some significant domestic policies.

If they change leader now, I don't think they will be the one to go into the next election. They'll do a Michael Howard role and then hand over in 2019, in which case Davis is the 'safe pair of hands' candidate
 
The timing is wrong. 2 years time would be the right moment - after Brexit and with 3 years to deliver some significant domestic policies.

If they change leader now, I don't think they will be the one to go into the next election. They'll do a Michael Howard role and then hand over in 2019, in which case Davis is the 'safe pair of hands' candidate

This government will not be able to last five years, it will struggle to see out two.

Davis isn't very bright and would be massively exposed as PM.
 
That's true. I'm not sure the electorate are nearly intelligent enought to understand the compromise required in a coalition.
Of course they are. They just didn't like that the LDs chose to compromise on the point that won them their 50 seats. Especially when Nick Clegg was trying to portray his party as being different. Long may their demise continue.
 
I think that an argument can be made either way but the reason for the changes was only self interest
I would agree that's an issue if they were going from an even standpoint, but they were only righting a wrong.

When the electoral system has been loaded against you for 30 years, I think it's acceptable to act in self interest when correcting it.
 
Votes are not equal using fptp many are worthless.

Thought you liked the US structure with an elected second chamber?

I do not expect them to fix everything but don't insist on "fixing" the bits that benefit you but no others, and if you do be sure that everyone knows its flimflam
The US system is fairer and more democratic, that doesn't make it effective.

Voters always punish the incumbent government, that limits its ability to get anything done to 2 years.
 
Of course they are. They just didn't like that the LDs chose to compromise on the point that won them their 50 seats. Especially when Nick Clegg was trying to portray his party as being different. Long may their demise continue.
You clearly haven't met many of them.

Like I said, compromise is unavoidable in coalition. When you're the minor party your choices are between some policies and no policies being put into action. Anyone unable to understand that doesn't deserve a vote.

I suspect the main reason many people are angry is because they didn't want a Conservative government but couldn't bring themselves to vote for such a clearly useless Labour PM.
 
Of course they are. They just didn't like that the LDs chose to compromise on the point that won them their 50 seats. Especially when Nick Clegg was trying to portray his party as being different. Long may their demise continue.

My thoughts as well, they are finished as a major party and in one way i feel sorry for them ( not really), after all if it was not for them saving Camerons arse they would not have sunk as low as they have done.
 
Of course they are. They just didn't like that the LDs chose to compromise on the point that won them their 50 seats. Especially when Nick Clegg was trying to portray his party as being different. Long may their demise continue.

I think that's a simplification of the issue.

They were the junior party. There was no way the Tories would have let them have their keynote and probably most expensive policy. It's fantasy.

Clegg has been done for by black and white reporting. No context, no nuance. Burn the witch.
 
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