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the dza said:
Re. The Labour Party, I hope some of the bigger names now want to come back into the shadow cabinet, end all the nonsense. Remember, he did want them in there right off the bat, some refused to serve and others came in and then resigned. I think things have changed, they feared oblivion but now the party is back in the hunt with a very strong core vote, some massive majorities built and perhaps some new marginals created.

Now people will see Corbyn differently (not everyone, obviously) but I think he'll be given a fairer chance and at the next election, I think a hung parliament but in Labour's favour is a very good possibility. Hopefully, this can happen in the next few months.
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milo said:
I agree. I think that there is some real talent on the Labour backbenches and they could make life very uncomfortable for a government on the ropes. It would also allow them to spread the campaigning load a little when the next election comes.
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As much as I don't like certain types in the Labour Party, it doesn't really matter to me personally as long as they are willing to go with the direction of travel, and work to implement the policies that Labour have just had a pretty good campaign on. I think they can and will get into power this way.

I think Corbyn will extend the olive branch, infact I'm sure he will.
 
milo said:
Because they do not have a big enough majority to govern for five years. It is better to jump than be pushed and the A50 two year time limit does not give them many opportunities to go later.

The opposition will try to keep ministers in the HoP. By turning up in numbers and tabling motions/emergency debates/calling ministers to select committee hearings they can tie up the government and run ministers into the ground.
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I understand that. I'm just saying it would be a waste of time. The Tories will not cross the 326 line. I think they were lucky to get the 318 seats they won this time round. They will get even less in an autumn election.
 
the dza said:
I think Yvette Cooper made similar noises last night too. Some of my fellow Corbynistas will be a bit defensive but they'll get over it when it leads to a stronger party than can actually implement the policies. And Corbyn will smooth it over in his nice, reasonable way.
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I know that it would be difficult for some to stomach but the front bench would look a lot stronger with Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Clive Lewis, Dan Jarvis, Stella Creasy, Liz Kendall and Jess Phillips on it.
 
milo said:
I know that it would be difficult for some to stomach but the front bench would look a lot stronger with Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Clive Lewis, Dan Jarvis, Stella Creasy, Liz Kendall and Jess Phillips on it.
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I think some will come back, maybe not all at once. He won't want to just discard people who stepped up when he needed them to, imo. Some of those names there will be easy -- Umunna was never really someone who was always mouthing off to the press for example. Clive Lewis is a Corbyn supporter, he just left the front bench because he had half an eye on the remain vote in his constituency. Corbyn apparently gets on quite well with Liz Kendall, even though she's at the other end of the spectrum, politically. Jess Phillips was too much yapping away negatively to the press, but on the other hand that'd show a big willingness to heal the divide.

As I say, the main thing for me is that they work towards the policies that have been campaigned on, ones that energised the youth vote and attracted red ukippers. Their job is to bring along more voters to these ideas and I think it can be done, particularly if they have a sensible plan for a softer Brexit.
 
the dza said:
Now people will see Corbyn differently (not everyone, obviously) but I think he'll be given a fairer chance and at the next election, I think a hung parliament but in Labour's favour is a very good possibility. Hopefully, this can happen in the next few months.
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milo said:
I agree. I think that there is some real talent on the Labour backbenches and they could make life very uncomfortable for a government on the ropes. It would also allow them to spread the campaigning load a little when the next election comes.
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the dza said:
I think they can and will get into power this way.
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I know that I'm leaning into the wind here, but I think I'm right in saying that this was the highest tory vote share since 1979. Do you seriously see Corbyn eating many of those votes?
 
milo said:
Anyway, contrition time, @the dza and @Gilzeantoscore you were right and I was wrong and I am very happy about that too
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Cheers Milo, though to be fair we have only been half right so far (didn't get smashed at the election but didn't win it either). But I think if the party can unite the left and centre-left can push over the top and really make the country a better place.
 
Parklaner81 said:
I know that I'm leaning into the wind here, but I think I'm right in saying that this was the highest tory vote share since 1979. Do you seriously see Corbyn eating many of those votes?
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Labour's share of the vote was enough to win every other general election of the last 20 years. The Tories look like losers and part of Labour's problem was a belief that they could do it. If there is an autumn election only one side will have a bounce in their step.
 
the dza said:
Cheers Milo, though to be fair we have only been half right so far (didn't get smashed at the election but didn't win it either). But I think if the party can unite the left and centre-left can push over the top and really make the country a better place.
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I didn't believe that he could increase the number of Labour seats. I was wrong.
 
Parklaner81 said:
I know that I'm leaning into the wind here, but I think I'm right in saying that this was the highest tory vote share since 1979. Do you seriously see Corbyn eating many of those votes?
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It really depends on the state of the seats now, what new marginals there are etc. I'm not expecting Labour to sweep to power with a huge majority BUT, I do think if there's an election in the near future, Labour and the SNP between them can pick up enough seats so that Labour could start implementing policy with relatively sturdy minority government.

However, conventional wisdom was pointing towards a 50-100 seat majority for the Tories, that didn't happen. So maybe Labour could pick up enough for a small majority, with the SNP providing an extra buffer for certain issues as well. I mean, last night Labour won Canterbury, which has been Tory since the 1800s iirc, and it was down to the youth vote there. So it's possible, particularly as Corbyn's Labour have shown now that, electorally, they aren't a million miles from power anymore. So perhaps some voters will see them as more viable, where they otherwise only heard the "unelectable, they won't get 200 seats" narrative.
 
the dza said:
I think some will come back, maybe not all at once. He won't want to just discard people who stepped up when he needed them to, imo. Some of those names there will be easy -- Umunna was never really someone who was always mouthing off to the press for example. Clive Lewis is a Corbyn supporter, he just left the front bench because he had half an eye on the remain vote in his constituency. Corbyn apparently gets on quite well with Liz Kendall, even though she's at the other end of the spectrum, politically. Jess Phillips was too much yapping away negatively to the press, but on the other hand that'd show a big willingness to heal the divide.

As I say, the main thing for me is that they work towards the policies that have been campaigned on, ones that energised the youth vote and attracted red ukippers. Their job is to bring along more voters to these ideas and I think it can be done, particularly if they have a sensible plan for a softer Brexit.
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With a couple of honourable mentions, the Labour front bench is pretty weak. From a position of strength, I think that Corbyn can afford to find space for moderates who are competent and good media performers. The one from the shadow cabinet who clearly deserves a promotion is Barry Gardiner, who had a great election.
 
milo said:
Labour's share of the vote was enough to win every other general election of the last 20 years. The Tories look like losers and part of Labour's problem was a belief that they could do it. If there is an autumn election only one side will have a bounce in their step.
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I wouldn't dispute much of that, I just see it a little differently to you guys (obviously) in terms of remaining upside.
 
milo said:
With a couple of honourable mentions, the Labour front bench is pretty weak. From a position of strength, I think that Corbyn can afford to find space for moderates who are competent and good media performers. The one from the shadow cabinet who clearly deserves a promotion is Barry Gardiner, who had a great election.
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Yeah, I like that guy, he handles himself pretty well. Hopefully they can use the health issue excuse to sideline Abbott -- I'm sure she means well but she's a disaster infront of a camera or microphone. Just quietly shuffle her out of the picture and give Cooper her job.
 
I wouldn't count on the youth vote again, the SNP thought they had it locked in after the indyref but they've melted away.
 
Gotta say I would love to see some of the Labour talent return to the front bench. Doesn't mean they will steam roller the stories but they will be really credible again.

Also, I don't see Juncker being the UKs common enemy, or much of the population buying that. There isn't an overwhelming majority of people that want to leave anyway, so I think every time it looks like this process will get more difficult, it gives people a bit of a buzz. I know it does for me!
 
milo said:
I think that they want her to leave, not them.

She'll be forced out after the Queen's Speech. Have a leadership election over the summer and we'll have another general election in the autumn with a Tory manifesto packed with sweeteners for OAPs.
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Maybe, but i should imagine that those who want her out now are some of those that voted her into the job in the first place.
 
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