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r-u-s-x said:
or maybe the most important thing to them was Brexit - achieved and then they can go back to the party that most matches their political views. Lots of people voted UKIP as those stinking immigrants are ruining our public services etc. Voting Tory would not address this.
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Are you telling me you've never heard the proclamation "I would never vote Tory"? It's fairly common even on this forum.
 
scaramanga said:
This election was the run by two referendums.

Scotland were very clear about not wanting a second one, the South was clear about not wanting Brexit, and those in the North who did want Brexit couldn't bring themselves to vote on policy and vote Conservative.
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I'm not sure Brexit had much to do with it. Conservative and Labour were fairly close in position on it, while the Remain championing Lib Dems got nowhere.

It was May's back to the 50s domestic policies that turned-off Cameronites and many of the floating ex-UKIPers.
 
r-u-s-x said:
Yes this is true but I would never vote tory .... based upon their track record and current policies.
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There's a difference though.

If Labour stood up tomorrow and put forward a manifesto of low tax, low interference policies then they'd have my vote (especially with May in charge of the Conservatives). But there are people who claim they would never vote Tory no matter what their policies were because they believe that somehow the party itself if "nasty" and because it had the greatest peacetime Prime Minister this country's ever seen a generation ago.
 
milo said:
They've been voting with the government for some time anyway.

It'd be enough to get a Queen's Speech through but it does not look like a coalition that could last five years. It relies on Sinn Fein not taking up their seats for its narrow majority. A handful of by elections and it'd collapse.
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Tories-DUP have 329 seats

A majority is 326. But it's really 322 because of Sinn Fein

So that's a working majority of 7

The 1992-7 government was largely propped-up by the UUP, so this isn't unprecedented
 
The Torys call themselves a safe pair of hands and in 3 years they've spun lies about the deficit, nearly destroyed the union, seen us exit the eu and free market and now hung parliament for no apparent reason. They're the worst thing that could have happened to a nation that's still trying to repair itself.
 
scaramanga said:
There's a difference though.

If Labour stood up tomorrow and put forward a manifesto of low tax, low interference policies then they'd have my vote (especially with May in charge of the Conservatives). But there are people who claim they would never vote Tory no matter what their policies were because they believe that somehow the party itself if "nasty" and because it had the greatest peacetime Prime Minister this country's ever seen a generation ago.
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track record and credibility and "the greatest peacetime Prime Minister this country's ever seen a generation ago":confused:


just a likely to hear I am never supporting Labour - I will go on record of saying I will never support UKIP but if they start pushing to remain in the EU and have a good economic policy I may change my mind, don't think the two views are mutually exclusive. They are saying (majority you always have weirdos)they wont vote Tories because they don't like what the tories do no just because of the party.

I understand your point but don't agree with it - I think a lot of UKIP voters were natural Labour voters who's main concern was immigration and they were voting on policy rather than party.
 
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Craig_J said:
The Torys call themselves a safe pair of hands and in 3 years they've spun lies about the deficit, nearly destroyed the union, seen us exit the eu and free market and now hung parliament for no apparent reason. They're the worst thing that could have happened to a nation that's still trying to repair itself.
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But who did we blame for it needing repairing in the first place?
 
r-u-s-x said:
She was advised to make it a personality contest between herself and Corbyn, little did she know people preferred an IRA sympathising, anti-semitic surrender monkey over her.

This vote reinforced my view from the Brexit vote - stop making predictions
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Funny cos its true
 
In spite of the right-wing press attacking him relentlessly, despite people like Mandleson working to undermine him "every single day" and his ilk driving a 'coup' against him, Corbyn faced them all down, campaigned brilliantly and took 40% of the vote. It seems increased youth turnout was real -- they took Canterbury ffs! Corbyn drove that. Anecdotally, I know people who weren't political and who never voted in a general election before voting for Corbyn's Labour, very specifically because of Corbyn.

The fact is, The Tories have under-estimated Corbyn, the same as the Blairites have continually. Look at how May folded under a bit of scrutiny -- how do you think she'd have coped with the sort of onslaught that Corbyn faced? He is a tough operator and has stayed a very decent man throughout.

It wasn't only the sh1te Tory manifesto that turned the tide -- Labour's manifesto was very popular and well thought out (I expect the usual arrogant bluster in response to that) and many people voted for Corbyn hoping for those policies.

Who here plumped for 'Hung Parliament' in the little GG poll then? :p
 
I must admit I underestimated the turnout.

I wonder if it was boosted by the 'social media' youth vote, kids engaged by the process for the first time.

I thought when all the options were sh!t.....more people would be happy sitting in watching Better Call Saul instead.
 
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