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Politics, politics, politics

the dza said:
So...if we end up with a Tory government propped up by the DUP, and if the DUP ant a much softer Brexit, will the wing-nuts in the Tory party rebel, leading us to yet another general election?
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Think Milo was right earlier in the thread, another general election in September. GHod help us, though I think another general election in September would prove once and for all that the is no GHod.

Country his heading for the dogs and all I can say is how tinkled I am that I did not make any money on it last night:D

Juncker will be rubbing his hands hoping that he is going to get a divorce bill, Mrs May has c*cked up so much and it is going to cost us all.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't know - Brexit, no border poll and a Barnett Formula bribe for NI will probably hold it together. Ideologically they are essentially Conservatives
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No border with the Republic completely changes the government's approach to Brexit but probably closer to a consensual approach.
 
scaramanga said:
The Unionists normally have a fairly large shopping bill in return for their support.

I seriously doubt they currently have any demands other than keeping Corbyn and McDonnel the fudge away from no 10.
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They've been voting with the government for some time anyway.

It'd be enough to get a Queen's Speech through but it does not look like a coalition that could last five years. It relies on Sinn Fein not taking up their seats for its narrow majority. A handful of by elections and it'd collapse.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Juncker will be rubbing his hands hoping that he is going to get a divorce bill, Mrs May has c*cked up so much and it is going to cost us all.
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I don't think that it will make much difference to that. We were always going to have to settle our commitments on the way out.

What it does bring into question is can there be any meaningful negotiations before a second general election in the autumn? The only way that I can see that working is the government softening its stance and going for some form of EEA membership and getting cross party support.
 
milo said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/873055274096918528
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Hindsight is always 20/20.

It was the correct thing to do in principle. To back up your majority and be able to say 'the people have chosen me' to navigate us through this difficult time.

Luckily for us, it has revealed that May is most definitely not that person, and May (and politics in general) are intent on crashing onto the rocks at any given moment.

Hopefully it gives us a window for a real shake up BUT with brexit ahead are most reluctant to step up as they see it as a poisoned chalice?
 
Whilst the press are pushing the Corbyn success angle (as they should, it makes for a better story), this has to be considered as the election May lost.

Looking at the trackers (especially the BBC and YouGov ones) this election was lost the moment May copied Milibland's homework.
 
So pleased...........now for a proper bun fight

Boris will be buying even more and stronger hairspray............

The Trump schism continues.

Where's Ken Clarke when he's needed, love the guy!
 
She is a mess of a politician, she only had to be a little bit slick but her campaign was: Arrogance - Panic then a sniff of leadership due to attacks,

The soft middle voters who needed to be convinced were not and the youth came out to vote for Corbyn ey, she did not account for the youth
 
scaramanga said:
Whilst the press are pushing the Corbyn success angle (as they should, it makes for a better story), this has to be considered as the election May lost.

Looking at the trackers (especially the BBC and YouGov ones) this election was lost the moment May copied Milibland's homework.
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And the other thing this election has shown is that tribal politics is alive and well still.

The only upside to the UKIP vote at the last election was that finally the "I vote Labour because my dad voted Labour and everyone at t' mill votes Labour" types were thinking politically and voting on policy, not the name of the party. Many people, myself included, thought that when UKIP lost these votes they would go to the party whose policies most closely matched those of these voters.

Turns out that whilst these people (I think they're people up there, my map just says "Here be dragons") would vote for a bunch of racists way to the right of the Conservatives, they will never vote Conservative out of some kind of tribal hatred. Corbyn could have spent the last couple of months raping their mums and stabbing their children and they still wouldn't vote Conservative.

The world is full of strange people.
 
She was advised to make it a personality contest between herself and Corbyn, little did she know people preferred an IRA sympathising, anti-semitic surrender monkey over her.

This vote reinforced my view from the Brexit vote - stop making predictions
 
it's a crazy set of results, did youth vote for Corbyn or were they (and others) simply motivated against the Tories, was this a result "any" labour leader would have achieved, has the influence of printed media (thankfully) waned?
 
scaramanga said:
This election was the run by two referendums.

Scotland were very clear about not wanting a second one, the South was clear about not wanting Brexit, and those in the North who did want Brexit couldn't bring themselves to vote on policy and vote Conservative.
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snp losing votes makes sense, but blue over red surprises me
 
scaramanga said:
And the other thing this election has shown is that tribal politics is alive and well still.

The only upside to the UKIP vote at the last election was that finally the "I vote Labour because my dad voted Labour and everyone at t' mill votes Labour" types were thinking politically and voting on policy, not the name of the party. Many people, myself included, thought that when UKIP lost these votes they would go to the party whose policies most closely matched those of these voters.

Turns out that whilst these people (I think they're people up there, my map just says "Here be dragons") would vote for a bunch of racists way to the right of the Conservatives, they will never vote Conservative out of some kind of tribal hatred. Corbyn could have spent the last couple of months raping their mums and stabbing their children and they still wouldn't vote Conservative.

The world is full of strange people.
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or maybe the most important thing to them was Brexit - achieved and then they can go back to the party that most matches their political views. Lots of people voted UKIP as those stinking immigrants are ruining our public services etc. Voting Tory would not address this.
 
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