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Modric THFC said:
Corbyn's has been preparing for this debate for weeks and has just given May's handlers a few hours to write some debating software for the Maybot or else look very stupid.
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She has always said she wouldn't partake - if he announced this last week she would have still said no - no chance she is going anywhere near this.
 
It's interesting though that Sturgeon is still playing aloof and sending a deputy too. So with the two most powerful British politicians doing that, is Corbyn not repeating Miliband's mistake of joining the losers' club?

I think Kier Starmer is the Labour frontbencher to appeal to the centrists and would have been their best option.

And do the Tories really not have anyone better than Rudd? Surely someone a bit more charismatic like Davis or Johnson would play better with the plebs
 
Bullet said:
I know you are trolling Scara but you clearly don't know how a small business runs. I was a Board Director of a company with £20m turnover making £1m to £2m profit "for the chairman and his wife" the sole owners. From your perspective we would all be fat cats, rolling in money. In reality the cash flow got tighter and tighter. We had good orders and sales but our clients deliberately slowed down paying us.

We would have to buy in goods and services and deliver the work and then wait 3 months to be paid... which became 6 months for some clients. And even nine months for some. Generally it was the global supermarkets and biggest global brands which were the worst payers. Waiting 6 months and then claiming the purchase order wasn't correct etc.

Pressure on cash flow grew and grew. We had to pay wages and deliver the new sales whilst waiting to be paid. Each month the board would hear about the latest issues and stress about whether we could pay staff or suppliers but not everyone. We had to access credit lines to keep cash flowing. I was seriously concerned the business could go under. We made just less than 20 staff (out of 120) redundant as that was the max allowed before you have to go through a bigger redundancy process.

Two months later things were really biting and I was worried my assets (family house) could get included in a settlement if we went insolvent, as a Board Director.

A month later I decided to take redundancy and get a 'normal job' on £20k less but without that stress, in a thriving business in the same industry, with one line report rather than three teams of eight. MUCH easier!!

So you hear £1m profit and it sounds great but that is 5% profit margin which is then taxed and all ploughed back into the business. The chairman takes a good salary but he has been running the business from 1987 to 2017 with his house at risk and huge stress. I imagine he will have a heart attack soon, it has not been fun for him. Very hard work 6 or 7 days a week from 5am to late so he deserves what he has.
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These types have no empathy for people in low paying jobs, for them it's all about the market, therefore I have no sympathy for 'starving' capitalists. Let them eat cake.
 
Bullet said:
I know you are trolling Scara but you clearly don't know how a small business runs. I was a Board Director of a company with £20m turnover making £1m to £2m profit "for the chairman and his wife" the sole owners. From your perspective we would all be fat cats, rolling in money. In reality the cash flow got tighter and tighter. We had good orders and sales but our clients deliberately slowed down paying us.

We would have to buy in goods and services and deliver the work and then wait 3 months to be paid... which became 6 months for some clients. And even nine months for some. Generally it was the global supermarkets and biggest global brands which were the worst payers. Waiting 6 months and then claiming the purchase order wasn't correct etc.

Pressure on cash flow grew and grew. We had to pay wages and deliver the new sales whilst waiting to be paid. Each month the board would hear about the latest issues and stress about whether we could pay staff or suppliers but not everyone. We had to access credit lines to keep cash flowing. I was seriously concerned the business could go under. We made just less than 20 staff (out of 120) redundant as that was the max allowed before you have to go through a bigger redundancy process.

Two months later things were really biting and I was worried my assets (family house) could get included in a settlement if we went insolvent, as a Board Director.

A month later I decided to take redundancy and get a 'normal job' on £20k less but without that stress, in a thriving business in the same industry, with one line report rather than three teams of eight. MUCH easier!!

So you hear £1m profit and it sounds great but that is 5% profit margin which is then taxed and all ploughed back into the business. The chairman takes a good salary but he has been running the business from 1987 to 2017 with his house at risk and huge stress. I imagine he will have a heart attack soon, it has not been fun for him. Very hard work 6 or 7 days a week from 5am to late so he deserves what he has.
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It amazes me how few people genuinely understand the pressure of that kind of job and why the pay levels are comparatively high.

So many seem to genuinely think that it's easier because it's sitting down talking all day rather than carrying heavy stuff around.

I spent about 3 years performing almost all of the role of an FD - everything but the weight of pressure. When I finally did take on that part of the role, it was night and day from what I had done before. When, overnight, the ability of 100 people to feed their families becomes reliant on your decisions it opens your eyes. It also made me realise that market price pressures are just as prevalent at this level as they are for a basic labourer. The pay is just enough to make you carry on doing it, just the same as it is in any job (except those skewed by the NMW).
 
I watched the guff at the weekend.

Lets be real for a second, if you took away the back drop of who was representing who you would struggle to pick a winner, both are utter turd and I watched May talk and she not only can she not talk she is the most disingenuous person on the planet.

She is like the sales person that represents a luxury brand, arrogant, got no depth but resting back on the fact its a good brand, that's what she is doing knowing Labour are in a mess and I hate that, she should still be selling her self and her party as the best option but she isn't, its all "we are better than that mob down the road"

There will be a twist in this election that will expose May, they might not lose control but they might lose ALOT of seats that discredit her
 
When it all settles down I still predict a fairly big swing towards the Tories - Think Corbyn is only winning over those who would vote labour anyhow - center will be voting tory.
 
r-u-s-x said:
When it all settles down I still predict a fairly big swing towards the Tories - Think Corbyn is only winning over those who would vote labour anyhow - center will be voting tory.
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Your probably right, but she has no substance, she is dreadful and I am not even a Labour man.

David Miliband will come back to British politics like a trojan horse and save Labour, thats my prediction
 
r-u-s-x said:
When it all settles down I still predict a fairly big swing towards the Tories - Think Corbyn is only winning over those who would vote labour anyhow - center will be voting tory.
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The interesting thing is that Labour are holding their vote against the Liberals. Most people thought the centrists would abandon Corbyn for the Lib Dems, but that doesn't seem to be happening.

I agree that Labour aren't taking Tory votes - it's the usual echo chamber/algorithm politics of social media that gives people a sense they will triumph, when in fact there's an awful lot more people not like them/their friends on facebook.

The UKIP collapse and the SNP holding Scotland will ensure a decent sized Tory majority.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Your probably right, but she has no substance, she is dreadful and I am not even a Labour man.

David Miliband will come back to British politics like a trojan horse and save Labour, thats my prediction
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Miliband, Keir Starmer, Hilary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Dan Jarvis. Any centrist Labour leader would probably have cruised this. I don't think Corbyn will give up after a defeat though - there's a lot more purging to be done before he'll feel confident to hand over to an suitable heir.

The best thing about this campaign is there's absolutely no way May will be able to serve a full term. Her party will have to oust her before the next election for someone more palatable. Let her get Brexit done, then hopefully there will be a coup from the liberal wing.
 
Gutter Boy said:
It's interesting though that Sturgeon is still playing aloof and sending a deputy too. So with the two most powerful British politicians doing that, is Corbyn not repeating Miliband's mistake of joining the losers' club?

I think Kier Starmer is the Labour frontbencher to appeal to the centrists and would have been their best option.

And do the Tories really not have anyone better than Rudd? Surely someone a bit more charismatic like Davis or Johnson would play better with the plebs
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All good points. I hadn't realised on first glance that Sturgeon was out too.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Miliband, Keir Starmer, Hilary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Dan Jarvis. Any centrist Labour leader would probably have cruised this. I don't think Corbyn will give up after a defeat though - there's a lot more purging to be done before he'll feel confident to hand over to an suitable heir.

The best thing about this campaign is there's absolutely no way May will be able to serve a full term. Her party will have to oust her before the next election for someone more palatable. Let her get Brexit done, then hopefully there will be a coup from the liberal wing.
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My worry is she faced a tat like Paxman and melted like a candle, Europe are gonna have a field day with her.

She is a female twitchy
 
Grays_1890 said:
I watched the guff at the weekend.

Lets be real for a second, if you took away the back drop of who was representing who you would struggle to pick a winner, both are utter turd and I watched May talk and she not only can she not talk she is the most disingenuous person on the planet.

She is like the sales person that represents a luxury brand, arrogant, got no depth but resting back on the fact its a good brand, that's what she is doing knowing Labour are in a mess and I hate that, she should still be selling her self and her party as the best option but she isn't, its all "we are better than that mob down the road"

There will be a twist in this election that will expose May, they might not lose control but they might lose ALOT of seats that discredit her
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She's worse than that. She's like the person selling a top brand who doesn't know her stuff.

Boateng used to employ a lot of them so I stopped shopping in his stores. Unfortunately the only stores available right now are the M&S clothing department or the alley along the side which is full of muggers.
 
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