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Danishfurniturelover said:
I think the polls always underestimate the tory turnout not sure why that is but they always do.
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Apparently, since 2015 (when the polling companies got slated for not calling the small majority for the Tories) the polling companies have changed their modelling for turnout to try and take the "shy tory" effect into account. We'll see I suppose.

I bought into polls last time and I won't do so again. I'm just very surprised that, just a couple of weeks ago, polls were showing 20+ point Tory leads and there was talk of majorities of 100-150 for the Tories. Whilst I don't have faith in the polls to give us the right number for election day, I do think there must be something in it when they are all showing a shift towards Labour
 
scaramanga said:
Same as it is every election - Conservative voters are not the types who tend to shout about their political opinions, Labour are.
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Shy Tory voters... I think its called. Except this time I think there will be a few more shy - Corbyn voters
 
Anyone else spotted the trend that whenever a poll comes out showing that Corbyn is doing well, Sterling tanks?
 
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:D Top trolling.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I think the polls always underestimate the tory turnout not sure why that is but they always do.
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Three main reasons:

- A lot of people don't admit to being right-wing publically, but vote that way in the secret of the booth
- Most polling now is online, which older people engage with less. Telephone polling is always more right-wing
- A lot of younger people are nosily left-wing, but don't actually bother to turnout on election day
 
Gutter Boy said:
Three main reasons:

- A lot of people don't admit to being right-wing publically, but vote that way in the secret of the booth
- Most polling now is online, which older people engage with less. Telephone polling is always more right-wing
- A lot of younger people are nosily left-wing, but don't actually bother to turnout on election day
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Precisely.
 
the dza said:
Apparently, since 2015 (when the polling companies got slated for not calling the small majority for the Tories) the polling companies have changed their modelling for turnout to try and take the "shy tory" effect into account. We'll see I suppose.

I bought into polls last time and I won't do so again. I'm just very surprised that, just a couple of weeks ago, polls were showing 20+ point Tory leads and there was talk of majorities of 100-150 for the Tories. Whilst I don't have faith in the polls to give us the right number for election day, I do think there must be something in it when they are all showing a shift towards Labour
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Corbyn is interesting I will admit to liking him the most of those standing, just he is to involved in special interest minorities for my liking. If it is making sure Muslims and gays are not being bullied I am all for it, but I think he goes to far so things like the traveller manifesto are to much for me a hardworking average joe all his life.

May is appalling and I am surprised that she called this election without even planning in secret some policies, she had the jump on everyone but did not even prepare, it is odd. I can see why in an age of protests people want an alternative vision it is why I think Corbyn is interesting.

We were in London yesterday, went to the Design Museum in Chelsea to see the exhibit on carter watches which I really recommend by the way. On the train on the way home the were two youngsters(late teens or early 20s) they were talking about how everyone would back Corbyns manifesto but just dont like the man and that people who vote tory are just racist. I wont be voting tory but I do think a major problem with Labour and its supporters are that they look down at their traditional working class voter and can not emphasise with people of different views. I often find the left to be even more intolerant then the right if you have a different opinion to them.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Corbyn is interesting I will admit to liking him the most of those standing, just he is to involved in special interest minorities for my liking. If it is making sure Muslims and gays are not being bullied I am all for it, but I think he goes to far so things like the traveller manifesto are to much for me a hardworking average joe all his life.

May is appalling and I am surprised that she called this election without even planning in secret some policies, she had the jump on everyone but did not even prepare, it is odd. I can see why in an age of protests people want an alternative vision it is why I think Corbyn is interesting.

We were in London yesterday, went to the Design Museum in Chelsea to see the exhibit on carter watches which I really recommend by the way. On the train on the way home the were two youngsters(late teens or early 20s) they were talking about how everyone would back Corbyns manifesto but just dont like the man and that people who vote tory are just racist. I wont be voting tory but I do think a major problem with Labour and its supporters are that they look down at their traditional working class voter and can not emphasise with people of different views. I often find the left to be even more intolerant then the right if you have a different opinion to them.
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The logical conclusion of Corbyn's politics is that there would be no Cartier.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
No, in a 'free market' the business that does well is the one that underpays it's staff, holds back entitlements and lies about it's tax commitments. It's all part of the modern business model.
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I know you are trolling Scara but you clearly don't know how a small business runs. I was a Board Director of a company with £20m turnover making £1m to £2m profit "for the chairman and his wife" the sole owners. From your perspective we would all be fat cats, rolling in money. In reality the cash flow got tighter and tighter. We had good orders and sales but our clients deliberately slowed down paying us.

We would have to buy in goods and services and deliver the work and then wait 3 months to be paid... which became 6 months for some clients. And even nine months for some. Generally it was the global supermarkets and biggest global brands which were the worst payers. Waiting 6 months and then claiming the purchase order wasn't correct etc.

Pressure on cash flow grew and grew. We had to pay wages and deliver the new sales whilst waiting to be paid. Each month the board would hear about the latest issues and stress about whether we could pay staff or suppliers but not everyone. We had to access credit lines to keep cash flowing. I was seriously concerned the business could go under. We made just less than 20 staff (out of 120) redundant as that was the max allowed before you have to go through a bigger redundancy process.

Two months later things were really biting and I was worried my assets (family house) could get included in a settlement if we went insolvent, as a Board Director.

A month later I decided to take redundancy and get a 'normal job' on £20k less but without that stress, in a thriving business in the same industry, with one line report rather than three teams of eight. MUCH easier!!

So you hear £1m profit and it sounds great but that is 5% profit margin which is then taxed and all ploughed back into the business. The chairman takes a good salary but he has been running the business from 1987 to 2017 with his house at risk and huge stress. I imagine he will have a heart attack soon, it has not been fun for him. Very hard work 6 or 7 days a week from 5am to late so he deserves what he has.
 
I will be taking part in tonight’s debate because I believe we must give people the chance to hear and engage with the leaders of the main parties before they vote.

I have never been afraid of a debate in my life. Labour’s campaign has been about taking our polices to people across the country and listening to the concerns of voters.

The Tories have been conducting a stage-managed arms-length campaign and have treated the public with contempt. Refusing to join me in Cambridge tonight would be another sign of Theresa May’s weakness, not strength.
 
r-u-s-x said:
I will be taking part in tonight’s debate because I believe we must give people the chance to hear and engage with the leaders of the main parties before they vote.

I have never been afraid of a debate in my life. Labour’s campaign has been about taking our polices to people across the country and listening to the concerns of voters.

The Tories have been conducting a stage-managed arms-length campaign and have treated the public with contempt. Refusing to join me in Cambridge tonight would be another sign of Theresa May’s weakness, not strength.
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I thought you were a Gooner Jez?
 
r-u-s-x said:
I will be taking part in tonight’s debate because I believe we must give people the chance to hear and engage with the leaders of the main parties before they vote.

I have never been afraid of a debate in my life. Labour’s campaign has been about taking our polices to people across the country and listening to the concerns of voters.

The Tories have been conducting a stage-managed arms-length campaign and have treated the public with contempt. Refusing to join me in Cambridge tonight would be another sign of Theresa May’s weakness, not strength.
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Corbyn's has been preparing for this debate for weeks and has just given May's handlers a few hours to write some debating software for the Maybot or else look very stupid.
 
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