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- Thread starter markysimmo
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I'd expect there to be massive queues from Turkey even if they were a full EU member. The security risk if an open border there would be huge.
Switzerland seems to cope just fine - I'm sure we will too.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that it would be a error to make the same mistakes in negotiations that were made by the leave campaign during the referendum and deny that risks are there, even if they are remote. The government have said that no deal is better than a bad deal and walking away from talks would make something like this a real risk.
It depends on the nature of the agreement and how much both sides are prepared to give. The movement from the British government over the last couple of weeks has been encouraging because their previous position would have made a Swiss type of deal very difficult.
This might be more to your liking
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/04/06/what-would-a-pro-european-hard-brexit-look-like/
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milo
Jack L. Jones
It would fudge our trade with Europe, fudge manufacturing in the UK and make imports more expensive. It would be a disaster if that happened.
I don't think that not being in the EU is the main reason why it takes so long to get from Turkey to the EU.
The reason everything from Turkey has to be checked so carefully is that it's attached to the bomby, godtardy bit of the world.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Did you read the article? The barriers talked about are trade and quota issues and Turkey is in the Customs Union.
Leaving without a deal would be a nightmare for anyone exporting, importing or manufacturing in the UK and the impact on Northern Ireland and Gibraltar would be catastrophic. It would be a fudging nightmare for anyone who fancied flying and uses nuclear power too.
I did, but as I said - I don't think that's why there are huge queues on Turkey's border.
Even if they were full members there likely would and should still be restrictive movement.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'd be interested in finding out more about the customs situation in other countries bordering the EU. I must admit to not knowing much about the varying situation from country to country.
Might be tough to find a decent comparison. I can't think of an EU border with a country that doesn't border another except Switzerland.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree. There is not a clear comparison for what the government is seeking to do and so much of both sides positions is still unknown. It sounds like we are moving towards an interim EEA position, which is sensible, but I do not understand why we didn't start there rather than ratchet up tension and division since last summer.
My guess is so that they weren't labelled traitors by The Sun and the Mail.
The only other alternative is some fairly poor negotiating where they thought this might seem like softening and a win for the EU
milo
Jack L. Jones
I think that your first guess is probably right. In which case they are storing up problems for later when they do not come back with a deal that looks like what they were talking up prior to triggering A50.
I imagine they're expecting that to happen after an election.
As long as Corbyn stays they'll have plenty of time (and a huge majority) to work with.
milo
Jack L. Jones
That is still some way from having it all wrapped up and comprehensive trade deal agreed in two years which is what they were saying.
Labour have got a year left to get rid of Corbyn. Any later and they won't have time to properly prepare for an election.
That was a free pass. They could say that comfortable in the knowledge that if they didn't achieve it it would all be down to the bureaucracy of the EU - the very thing they're saving us from.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Possibly but that makes it more difficult to argue in favour of still being tied to European regulations after the transition period which there is a fair chance we will be.
milo
Jack L. Jones
One thing that I do worry about is the reaction from some people who voted for Brexit when they realise that they are not going to get what they were promised. It seems very likely that there won't be more money for public services, we won't see a significant drop in immigration, we will still largely be bound by EU regulation and we will still be paying into the EU. I think that one of the major factors behind the vote was people feeling disenfranchised and this could make them feel even more removed.
milo
Jack L. Jones
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