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Politics, politics, politics
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glasgowspur
Luka Modric
And who says the camera never lies.
One of the most evil men ever, yet those pics make him look like everyone's favourite uncle.
As it fudging well should.
I don't see France laying claim to Kent or Denmark to Norfolk. Spain and their bricky navy can go fudge themselves.
milo
Jack L. Jones
We couldn't go to war with another NATO country. Howard is being an unhelpful prick. This is exactly the kind of rheteric that we could do without right now and all it will serve to do is antagonise countries that we need to reach an agreement with shortly.
It was obvious that Gibraltar would come up as part of the settlement, just as the issues with the Irish border were entirely predictable.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
that's a shame, kent and norfolk are both full of clams
I'm not suggesting we go to war, merely that we should make it very clear that that's the only way those clams will prise Gibraltar from us.
The only option when other countries talk about trying to underhandedly steal British soil is to be forceful. Howard has done the right thing here.
There's no good reason for this topic to come up in negotiation over Brexit. Gibraltar was part of Britain well before the EU was even an expenses bill in the eye of a socialist, and it will be long after their silly little experiment has collapsed.
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milo
Jack L. Jones
Howard is an idiot. His motive here is stirring up tension to make a hard Brexit more likely.
The way this should be handled is with deplomacy, preferably behind closed doors. Everyone knows that we cannot go to war with Spain, empty threats aren't going to impress anyone.
Nobody suggested we start a war with Spain - the inference is that Spain will only take it by force and that we are willing to defend ourselves against invasion.
Parking HMS daring off the coast would be the right move next.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
One does not park a ship, one moors it. Good GHod after living in Chi for these years I would expect better of you, bloody pleb.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Either way, he is trumping and everyone knows it.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
"There are leaders, and there are followers. And when it comes to regulation, by sheer virtue of economic weight, or relative lack of it, the UK is very much the latter."
The UK has been key to setting many EU trade regulations. One of the reasons our Pharmaceutical firms are so successful is they are aligned with the EU drugs regulator which is based...in London. So the UK has been able to punch above its weight by being part of the EU. On things like drug regulation we've been leaders.
In the future we'll have no say.
This Brexit shyte is a proper waste of time and resources. I wonder what its cost the UK already, and what it will cost in the long run. I still think it could be cancelled.
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I think he's quite cleverly taking the discussion out of the scope of Brexit negotiations.
If the EU is consistent on one thing, it's the ability to duck out of confrontation. By making this a matter of defending our soil, he's making it the kind of matter that the EU loves to tuck in and walk away over.
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milo
Jack L. Jones
We were always going to need negotiations on Gibraltar. We are not going to want a hard boarder there any more than we will in Ireland. The Spanish play silly buggers with the boarder every now and again as it is, their scope for being awkward will be even greater after we have left the EU.
I think that sabre rattling is best left as a last resort and is only credible if there is actually a threat and people believe that you could see it through.
An article I read earlier in the week, in the Spanish press, said that Madrid felt emboldened when Gibraltar was not mentioned in the A50 letter. I will see if I can dig it out.
I don't see why negotiations should be any business of the EU whatsoever.
They've not weighed in on whether the Isle of Wight continues to be a part of the UK, so they've got no business meddling in Gibraltar.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I don't think what they have done here is any different than what they have said about the boarder in Ireland.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Insist we'll only let Gibraltar be a topic, if Spanish claims over Ceuta and Melilla are included too
Or just a quick treaty with the Gibraltan government to convert its status from an overseas territory to crown dependency, therefore having to be treated the same way as the Channel Islands and Isle of Man.
Or just a quick treaty with the Gibraltan government to convert its status from an overseas territory to crown dependency, therefore having to be treated the same way as the Channel Islands and Isle of Man.