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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

monkeybarry said:
We live in the information age - there is no excuse anymore for going down those routes until it is either what you actually believe or are comfortable to accept.
Everyone has the tools to be different in their pocket - whether it's needing to learn critical thinking or counselling for self esteem or information about the reality of right wing tropes. Staying in that mind set in the information age is a choice.
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You're being logical here Barry.
BUT you're missing so so much.
 
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SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Everyone has the tools in theory but unfortunately we live in the age of the algorithmic timeline. Everyone just gets fed more of what is going to bait them into reacting. I think it’s done enormous damage to democracy - a handful of tech bros had no idea what they were inflicting on the world when they rolled out social media. No one actually talks to each other anymore. No one is willing to discuss trade offs, or reach a consensus. Everyone can demand things exactly the way they want them.
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Social Media is the world's biggest problem...it has transcended everything else. And when we layer AI quickly on the back of it....humanity will have a big problem.

We fear for the kids BUT it's the 'adults' that make the decisions and run the world...and literally nothing is done. Tech bros rejoice from their ivory towers.
 
Rafa87 said:
Honestly, I think it’s giving a large number of the people at that march too much credit, I think it’s true some are susceptible due to the context of their own lives however I would say an even larger amount of people at that march actually don’t have too bad of a life in comparison to the majority but finally someone has provided them a chance to be who they really are. It’s a chance to breathe not because you’re honest, but because you can now fully take the mask off.

The reason many of them are susceptible is because really, it’s what they want to hear. They don’t have to just say it to their families in their own homes anymore, they don’t have to be quiet like they have been since the 70’s and 80’s, they now have the chance to say it openly amongst people with the same views as them. Last summer saw the beginnings of it and it’s growing and being more normalised as it’s turning into a political point rather than a human one.

There are bad people of every colour, religion, faith, gender, and any other context you want to refer to them in, but these marches aren’t about that, and they aren’t about making a political point, they’re 85% about getting racists mobilised, and spreading division and hate, and 15% the people Steff mentions. If I’m really honest, I think I might be being generous with 15% as well, that number will be made up of people like the video clips you see on social media of school kids who have gone down there for the day, can’t actually tell you what it’s about and just thought it would be “a laugh”. Along with someone’s elderly neighbour from an affluent area who has seen the world change after much generational racism and believes in the word of that nice man Nigel who wears a suit and tells her that the one person of colour in her road is going to drag it all down.

Sure there’s something to be said for educating people and showing them the truth, they’re simple fact is many of these don’t want that, they’re where they want to be.
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Good post Rafa.

Edit: definitely some venn diagram crossover within those groups
 
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Rafa87 said:
Honestly, I think it’s giving a large number of the people at that march too much credit, I think it’s true some are susceptible due to the context of their own lives however I would say an even larger amount of people at that march actually don’t have too bad of a life in comparison to the majority but finally someone has provided them a chance to be who they really are. It’s a chance to breathe not because you’re honest, but because you can now fully take the mask off.

The reason many of them are susceptible is because really, it’s what they want to hear. They don’t have to just say it to their families in their own homes anymore, they don’t have to be quiet like they have been since the 70’s and 80’s, they now have the chance to say it openly amongst people with the same views as them. Last summer saw the beginnings of it and it’s growing and being more normalised as it’s turning into a political point rather than a human one.

There are bad people of every colour, religion, faith, gender, and any other context you want to refer to them in, but these marches aren’t about that, and they aren’t about making a political point, they’re 85% about getting racists mobilised, and spreading division and hate, and 15% the people Steff mentions. If I’m really honest, I think I might be being generous with 15% as well, that number will be made up of people like the video clips you see on social media of school kids who have gone down there for the day, can’t actually tell you what it’s about and just thought it would be “a laugh”. Along with someone’s elderly neighbour from an affluent area who has seen the world change after much generational racism and believes in the word of that nice man Nigel who wears a suit and tells her that the one person of colour in her road is going to drag it all down.

Sure there’s something to be said for educating people and showing them the truth, they’re simple fact is many of these don’t want that, they’re where they want to be.
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So with that all said....what is the end game for these people? What satisfies their minds?
 
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